Where can you See a flying...

[bdk]

Is the anywhere a warbird buff can go and see a flying:

-A-37 dragonfly
-EB-66 destroyer
-F-5 freedom fighter
-CH-21 workhorse

There are A-37s and T-37s on the civil register:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=a37&mfrtxt=cessna&modeltxt=a-37&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=t37&mfrtxt=cessna&modeltxt=t-37&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=19
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Almost a B-66: http://www.air-and-space.com/skywarrior.htm
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F-5A http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/mmsinqSQL.asp?mmstxt=645035A

F-5B http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/mmsinqSQL.asp?mmstxt=645035C

There are about another 40 T-38s on the civil register.
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An H-21 variant usually flies in to Chino for the airshow every year:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=7089F

[The Inspector]

Boeing operates an F-5 as a chase plane for flight test out of KBFI, on realy sunny days the poor guy has to go out and shoot touch and goes @ KPAE. We on the field are saddened to have to watch this poor soul suffer so much at the whims of his proletarian upper management.

I believe Mr. Allen also owns an F-5, he has two F-8's, one can be made flyable and he owns an F-105D that was not demilled and could be made airworthy (gads I hope so! I'd love to have that doing T-n-G's on a sunny Saturday @ KPAE just to show the snobs in Mukilteo what airplane noise really is!)

The F-5 is a different breed of cat derived out of the T-38, different wing and systems, plus wing hard point locations. I'm certain we can find someone here who has the whole ball of wax on the F-5, and I aquess to them.....

[Herkeng]

Thanks to all for the info & Alu, thank you for the F-8 pictures. It is a shame that we will most likely never see that short list of aircraft fly.

I hope that one day, the US armed forces will have a heritage flight that actually has aircraft from all its years. There were many aircraft that many of us maintained or flew that have not seen altitude below them for many a year.

Today, on the circuit, we have the latest jet flying with a WW2 warbird. No offense to the warbird folks who have flown with the heritage flights, it is very cool to see this but I want to see the other front line aircraft that served the country up there as well. Thay are not as glamerous as the F-16 but they did the job.

I never saw a EB-66 Fly, never saw a workhorse in the air. I have seen A-37's when Peoria had 'em. Seen the F-5's at Fallon and at Miramar, Seen 106's guarding the sky when stationed at Homestead. But I never saw a F-105 flying, only saw the ABR guys out hacking on them when they were conducting training. Would have loved to see A RA-5C taking off. God that was one beautiful airplane.

A dream airshow to me would be a staggered formation of a F-105, F-4, F-104, F-102, F-106, F-100 and F-101. That would be an awesome sight. Picture aonther fly by with a B-47, B-52G, B-58 and a B-36. Have a Thundersteak and Sky Scorpion blowing smoke as they whipped by the crowd. Man I wish it were so.

I guess I was born to late to see these great birds in the sky. I did have the honor to crew on the B-52 and C-130 and I hope that future generations will be able to see then flying. (the way things are, future generations will probably still be flying the Buff and the Herk).

Thanks for letting me dream. I guess I should wish that maybe Bill Gates, that Forbes guy and the Rockefellars will bump their heads and turn into avaition nuts.

Have a great day everyone
Herkeng

[n5151ts]

WOO HOO!

[ALU]

I remember that Swiss still use F5 and that Portugal use A7. I am not sure bit I think that finland and Turkish use F5 too.

The best place to see all this birds flying might be the Royal International Air Tatoo. This event take place at Fairford in England and is scheduled on the 2nd week-end of July 2008 (the same than Flying Legends Duxford.)
I have only participated once at this show which is the biggest european military air show. I was amazed by the number and diversity of airplanes on display. I guess you must have experienced this kind of show very often in the USA.

http://www.militaryairshows.co.uk/ven3.htm

Bye.

[warbird1]

Chip, the closest F-5 to you is at Alliance, northwest of Ft Worth. It's in Thunderbirds paint and is owned br Ross Perot Jr.

Rick, Perot's airplane is actually a T-38, not an F-5. Even though the airframe has an F-5A nose on it, the rest of the airplane is a T-38. It has all of the characteristics of the T-38, and none of the F-5. Typical F-5 traits include: leading edge flaps, bigger air intakes, wing strakes, beefier landing gear, tip tanks, and hardpoints for external stores, etc.

Also, for those of you asking, a two seat F-5 is not a T-38. They are totally separate aircraft. The T-38 is always a two seat model, while the F-5 comes in both single seat and two seat versions.

[RickH]

I was going off of what I was told, that Perot's plane was a CF-5. I know that he was involved with a T-38 that turned out a little dicey for him. Apparently the VFW that sold it to him didn't realize that didn't hold clear title !

I've only seen a couple of paintings and a few inflight pictures on the wall at the Alliance FBO. Didn't really look at them that closely.

[bilwor]

This photo was taken at Marana Regional Airport just north of Tucson on 4/17/08 on the day the Collings tour arrived. The enlargement is not too good but the aircraft on the left does look like an A-37 to me. Any opinions are welcome. I don't know any more about it, but it does look like it may have flown in.
bill word

[Herkeng]

Bill
You are correct, that is a A-37. A "Tweet on Steroids" is what the Illinois Guard called 'em. Nice looking jet from what we can see in the photo. I'm curious on who is flying it?

Herkeng

PS
I hope all is going well on the tour. I had a blast flying with y'all up to Tomball. Tell Fred "Chip" says to drop an email about the status of that project we were talking about.
Fly safe

Herkeng

[bilwor]

Herkeng, I am not with Collings. I was just out at the airport when they arrived. I live in Tucson.
bill word

[Myles]

Beale AFB in Marysville, CA still operates F-5's. They are painted black overall with some red trim. Occasisonally one or two will fly over Charles M. Schulz airport in Santa Rosa, CA en route home to Beale.

Jim Long

[Ztex]

I was going off of what I was told, that Perot's plane was a CF-5. I know that he was involved with a T-38 that turned out a little dicey for him. Apparently the VFW that sold it to him didn't realize that didn't hold clear title !

I've only seen a couple of paintings and a few inflight pictures on the wall at the Alliance FBO. Didn't really look at them that closely.

There's pics on Fence Check of the airplane at alliance last spring...
http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php/topic,1108.msg136618.html#msg136618

[warbird1]

Beale AFB in Marysville, CA still operates F-5's. They are painted black overall with some red trim. Occasisonally one or two will fly over Charles M. Schulz airport in Santa Rosa, CA en route home to Beale.

Jim Long

You are mistaken. The Air Force has no operational F-5's. They are T-38's. Don't be decieved by the color scheme. T-38's, nowdays come in grey and black for the Air Force. There might be an occasional white one out there, though.

[Philip Morten]

I remember that Swiss still use F5 and that Portugal use A7. I am not sure bit I think that finland and Turkish use F5 too.

The best place to see all this birds flying might be the Royal International Air Tatoo. This event take place at Fairford in England and is scheduled on the 2nd week-end of July 2008 (the same than Flying Legends Duxford.)

Indeed, not in the flying display but here are two A-7s at last year's RIAT:

[Herkeng]

Philip
I was at Air Fete right after the first Gulf War. We brought 2 of our B-52Gs from Griffiss over. Met John Peters (RAF Pilot shot down and held prisoner by Saddam)he was a great guy and he and John Nichols were great to our crew.

Any chance you have a photos from that time? this was the very first show at Mildenhall after GW1.

Herkeng