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Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:13 pm

Here here.

Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:20 pm

My comment as added-
"I think this is a VERY FAIR PRICE to pay to return the remains of those who PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE to keep this country Free, and ensure the Liberty of yellow journalists who make such absurd statements as to think that their sacrifice, and their family's peace of mind to know what happened to them costs too much. I think your reporter, editor and supervising editor, as well as producers should all be drafted, and sent to Iraq, to learn the meaning of the sacrifice those men made, and never came home from. They went to fight a war, without thought for themselves, and never came home. They were never heard from again- and their families have spent over 60 years wondering what happened to them. Every person who serves this country deserves to be brought home- no matter how much it costs, or how long it takes. I would much rather hear ten stories about how an American Serviceman(or woman) was found and brought home, than any ten so called stories about how you guys hounded people just because they were famous. (Except George Clooney- drive him to the ground. And that other rat, Rosie O'Donnell) Your show should really be examined for any journalistic value, if this is the sort of leftist crap you are putting out as reporting. You have about as much journalistic credibility as sugar coated taffy flakes have nutritional value. "

I also cross posted it to the AAFRL & APS(Cap & Pgh Wings), and USAAF site, as well as several friends.

Robbie

Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:52 pm

The crowd that reads TMZ isn't exactly what I'd consider the best and brightest American has to offer.

Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:13 pm

Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks ... I had no idea what TMZ is ... once I clicked on the link ... well now I know ...

We can never do enough to bring home those of our comrades who are still listed as MIA's ...

Fotobass, I loved your comparison to the Yankee payroll ... many citizens have no idea that the biggest percentage of tickets, private boxes, etc., under the guise of business expenses are purchased with dollars that go untaxed .... I once read that at any given Washington Redskins home game, the private boxes are filled with members of Congress (both sides) being wined and dined ... As a NJ Devil season ticket holder for 18 years, we witnessed the misuse of so called corporate tickets ...

Speaking of A-Rod, (nothing against him), I read once that his yearly salary is more than the combined lifetime of an average high school teaching staff ...

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:38 pm

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Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:42 pm

Perhaps I am not up to date on all the shows, but what is TMZ or what does that stand for. And I doubt if the military spent $52 million on one trip alone to the Palau. If so I'd rather see more money spent on medical /pyschological care for the 20,000 or so severely wounded vets.

Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:40 pm

I'm pretty sure that the B-24 they are working on is the one located by the "BentProp" organization. They came to Yankee and put on a little event for us detailing what they do. It's a very worthwhile project whether the government or a private group is doing it. Bringing home fallen soldiers no matter how long after the war is the least that can be done.

Kyle

Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:02 pm

Bill, I believe that 52 million is the annual budget for the entire effort including the operation of the DNA lab in Hawaii.

Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:38 pm

fotobass wrote:...the Yankees paid more than that for their top three players last year...

1. Jason Giambi, NYY $23,428,571
2. Alex Rodriguez, NYY $22,708,525
3. Derek Jeter, NYY $21,600,000


Those are actually fair salaries considering their worth to the Yankees in terms of income to the organization. As they say, if we could do what they can do, well ... we'd be worth a lot to the Yanks, too. :D 8)

What's a crime, so to speak, is paying some exec 7 figures to get the heck out of Dodge after he runs a company into the ground. At least Jeter, et al, are active and contributing participants to the wealth of their organization, and thus their salaries.

Should it be against the law, as some on the political spectrum believe, to make that much money, whether you produce and deserve it or not? Nooo, cause when that happens, it means ALL salaries are up for review, and personally I'd like to continue making as much as I do for 'having fun'. :wink:

Back to your point - I agree 100% ... the money was darn well spent searching for lost souls, and is truly a drop in the bucket compared to what we're pissin' away these days. Bring the long lost men back to their families, and let them rest ... it's the "highest and best use" of that particular $52 million dollar bill.

Wade
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:39 pm

I can bet to that a lot of people who watch TMZ couldn't even tell you what years the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam were in. Sadly i have met many people who don't know anything about American history but can tell you who all the winners were of MTV music awards. Its pathetic.

Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:46 pm

Zachary wrote:$52 million is a drop in the bucket for the government, and in my opinion it is money very well spent. I think the closure the missing servicemen's families receive is worth every penny. I can think of many other government expeditures that would be more appropriate to complain about than this one, but that's just my opinion...

Zack


Absolutely. $52 million is walking around money for the government. Why, they spent $42 million just to send everyone out a letter telling us they will be sending us another letter with the "economic stimulus" attached. :roll:
I think $52 large is definitely money well spent for closure for these heroes' families.

Ken

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:18 pm

Being out on the road for 10 months gives you perspective to the youth of today. We give countless TV and radio interviews to "journalists" that are mostly under 30. The most popular question is "what war did these aircraft serve in?". School bus after school bus bring kids out to see the bombers with nary a clue as to what these aircraft did...I know, that is our purpose...to educate...but...when stories like this appear it reaffirms my anger in the lack of education of this era. It makes me wonder, what are they teaching today?

Jim

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:23 pm

Jim, my daughter Katie says that her senior year in high school they did 1 week on WWI and one week on WWII in American history.

I can guarantee that she has had a lot more at home ! :lol: Force fed of course, but more has sunk in than she will admit ! :shock:

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:32 pm

Randy Haskin wrote:The crowd that reads TMZ isn't exactly what I'd consider the best and brightest American has to offer.

ditto

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:36 pm

JimH wrote: It makes me wonder, what are they teaching today?
Jim


Too many classes on "Understanding the other people" not enough on "Understanding Our History", or "Civics". And a lot of money put into making sure their football team makes the playoffs- because that is important! There ought to be a Federal Requirement to teach history- not the leftist distorted brand found in many colleges these days, but the same stuff we learned as kids- and with the necessary additions, but not the denials and "self shame" they teach. The only country with a worse WWII history course I can think of is Japan- most kids there have no idea about the aggression their country perpetrated against the rest of the world.

Robbie
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