Warbird Information Exchange

AJ-1 on the USS Oriskany

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Great shot Jack.
Love the Savage.
It looks like a pretty lackidaisical launch crew though!
Looks like their heading in to port or something.
Jerry

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Are their any Savage's still flying ? or still around for that matter ?

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Glen

Lookie Capt Jim! Wham! Wham! ...............................Termights

Only one Savage remains. It's at the Naval Aviation Museum. Cool bird though!

Cheers,
Richard

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There's an AJ-2 down at Pensacola but that is it as I recall.

HTH! Mark

Yep, and in an old AJ-1 thread Col. Rohr passed on that, 1 AJ-2 hulk is at a NAS Fallon range and
2 AJ-2 hulks are at a China Lake range, no AJ-1's survive, IIRC.

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In the late 50's, the was a Savage parked at Boeing Field in Seattle.
It was owned by a Pan Am pilot by the name of Jim Kowing, I don't know what happed to it.

I learned something new tonight. What's an AJ-1? Obviously the Navy speak nomenclature indicates an attack type from NA.
This is a brand new one to me. I have a pretty fair reference library with NO mention of it.
You guys tell me about it. "Exchange Warbird Information" please.

Canso the uninformed

Canso,there's some basic info on AJ's via the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJ_Savage

Interestingly,the AJ-1 had a control stick and the engine controls to the pilot's left.This was changed to a control wheel and center mounted enginge controls on the AJ-2.

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There is an excellent book available in Steve Ginter"s Naval Fighters series.You can find it under "Naval Fighters #22 North American AJ Savage".I checked Amazon,and it was in stock there as well as Steve Ginter's site for $19.95.Ginter Books is always worth a look,as he has a number of superb books on all sorts of military aircraft.

Try this link: http://www.ginterbooks.com/

In the Wikipedia article it has the following comments regarding the Savage's engines:

"A compromise was made to include in the Savage two Pratt & Whitney R-2800 piston engines and an Allison J33 turbojet in the rear fuselage. Interestingly, both engine types used the same fuel."

What's up with that........the turbojet used high octane aviation gasoline??


Ted

Turbine engines will run on just about any liquid that will burn.The J-34 jets on P2V Neptune air tankers burn avgas.They did in the Navy,as well.This simplfies the fuel supply,among other things (such as the recips definitely won't run on kerosene).Many Navy jets in the late 1940's and early 1950's ran primarily on avgas.It doesn't give as many BTU's by volume,but it simplfied the fuel storage problem on carriers.The F3D's (as EF-10's,I think) that the Marines used in Vietnam still ran on avgas in the late 1960's.They also used J-34's.

Banshees burned 115/145 avgas also.
Chuck

We could have still had an AJ-1 - into the late 1970s, the first prototype XAJ-1, 121460, minus the outboard wing panels, was derelict at the Naval Air Engineering Center in Philadelphia after being used as a static catapult load. Unfortunately it wasn't saved.

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I can recall plenty of corporate crews putting avgas in there tanks to kill bacteria,Kingairs 'Falcons' Convair 580's.Heres a pic of a aj-2 that used to lower a turbo fan out of the bombbay for altitude testing.

Heres one for the record book.