update on 1941HAG's C-119G
Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:03 am
hi folks,
Well, I must update you on a few things. There is some growing interesting in getting Geneseo's C-119G back into presentable show condition. A team of helpers is already being organized.
To my question, the museums C-119 says it is a "G" model. Did all "G" models only see service with the RCAF? I have the task of finding a new paint scheme and markings for the HAGs C-119 and would be interested to know if the USAF ever operated the C-119G's with the larger nose?
I still need to learn up some things on the C-119. But if you can answer that it would be a big help.
Thanks,
Nathan
Well, I must update you on a few things. There is some growing interesting in getting Geneseo's C-119G back into presentable show condition. A team of helpers is already being organized.
To my question, the museums C-119 says it is a "G" model. Did all "G" models only see service with the RCAF? I have the task of finding a new paint scheme and markings for the HAGs C-119 and would be interested to know if the USAF ever operated the C-119G's with the larger nose?
I still need to learn up some things on the C-119. But if you can answer that it would be a big help.
Thanks,
Nathan
Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:13 am
Please tell me that big twin boomed beauty will be a flyer!!!
How awesome that would be, but I’m guessing the group doesn’t have that kind of money right?
How awesome that would be, but I’m guessing the group doesn’t have that kind of money right?
Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:24 am
That's good news. Back in the eighties, this bird belonged to NASM. I believe she'd been impounded in a drug bust, and was handed over to them. That's at least the story that the Geneseo guys told me back then. Has her ownership status changed in the interim? It would be great to see her back in the air, but it would be a daunting, and probably uneconomic adventure.
Cheers,
Richard
Cheers,
Richard
Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:12 am
RMAllnutt wrote:That's good news. Back in the eighties, this bird belonged to NASM. I believe she'd been impounded in a drug bust, and was handed over to them. That's at least the story that the Geneseo guys told me back then. Has her ownership status changed in the interim? It would be great to see her back in the air, but it would be a daunting, and probably uneconomic adventure.
Cheers,
Richard
I think this plane will never fly again. I heard there was a problem with the paper work. I don't think it would be the museums best interest in making the 119 flying. It world take a lot of work and a lot of money. What the idea is now is to clean her up make her presentable and maybe a new paint job.
I think the first step is to remove all the bird crap. This stuff is corrosive and is not very healthy. Second need to plug up any holes to prevent the birds from getting in and building nests.
Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:32 am
Nate et al--
I thought it was the former NWM (NASM loan) C-46, now at Hammondsport, that had been impounded and then lent; didn't the "Dollar Nineteen" come from one of the firefighting outfits (H&P maybe)?? I think she was ferried in but the serviceable engines were then removed for spares use...
Anyway...Question. As of a few years back, at least, one side of old RCAF 22103 still had nearly all its early-60s RCAF paint in place, while the other side had been stripped. Is that still the case, or has the other side also been stripped now? I'm biased, of course, as a Canuck, but if the RCAF livery is still there on one side, I'd like to see that side kept as is (with some "freshening" of the actual paint), while the other side got USAF or USMC finish. Apart from anything else it'd be a tip of the hat to the significant Canadian involvement in Gennie's early days. Just a thought. Good to hear Tom et al are game to get the Boxcar back in shape.
S.
I thought it was the former NWM (NASM loan) C-46, now at Hammondsport, that had been impounded and then lent; didn't the "Dollar Nineteen" come from one of the firefighting outfits (H&P maybe)?? I think she was ferried in but the serviceable engines were then removed for spares use...
Anyway...Question. As of a few years back, at least, one side of old RCAF 22103 still had nearly all its early-60s RCAF paint in place, while the other side had been stripped. Is that still the case, or has the other side also been stripped now? I'm biased, of course, as a Canuck, but if the RCAF livery is still there on one side, I'd like to see that side kept as is (with some "freshening" of the actual paint), while the other side got USAF or USMC finish. Apart from anything else it'd be a tip of the hat to the significant Canadian involvement in Gennie's early days. Just a thought. Good to hear Tom et al are game to get the Boxcar back in shape.
S.
Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:23 pm
Steve is correct the C-46 was impounded on a drug bust, transferred to NASM and then put on loan to the NWM. It was later transferred to Elmira only to move on to the Curtiss Museum.
The C-119 deal had some high adventure as well. I wish I could remember the exact facts, but I believe the aircraft was placed on loan to NWM by the US Forest Service, with the expectation of a donation coming in the future. That never happened so the airplane was abandoned at Geneseo. It was flown in, and then stripped of the usable engines, control surfaces, etc. These were replaced by time expired static examples. As I said, I can't remember the exact facts, but I think there were some investigations about the trade of a few of these C-119s for C-130s, that later ended up in ended up in places they shouldn't have been.
Jim
The C-119 deal had some high adventure as well. I wish I could remember the exact facts, but I believe the aircraft was placed on loan to NWM by the US Forest Service, with the expectation of a donation coming in the future. That never happened so the airplane was abandoned at Geneseo. It was flown in, and then stripped of the usable engines, control surfaces, etc. These were replaced by time expired static examples. As I said, I can't remember the exact facts, but I think there were some investigations about the trade of a few of these C-119s for C-130s, that later ended up in ended up in places they shouldn't have been.
Jim
Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:15 pm
update on 1941HAG's C-119G
Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:47 pm
I don't know the particulars on this indiviual airplane,but I did fly about 10 hours as co-pilot on sister ship N8093 near the end of the 1981 Alaska Fish Haul.I was flying a C-117D/R4D-8 for TBM Inc. and the Boxcar was one of Hawkins and Powers machines.My airplane was on sort of a subcontract with H&P hauling salmon from Egigik Beach to King Salmon,Homer and Anchorage for Homer Seafoods.Late in the season,there weren't enough fish to need both airplanes and the Box had a far more versitile capacity as far a size and weight of cargo backhauls and totes of fish.The main visible difference between N8092 and N8093 being the J-34 jet mounted on top of N8093.It made a major difference in take-off,climb and in the case of failure of one of the R-3350's.The boxcar may have had its faults,but I enjoyed the experience.
A couple of links concerning N8092 follow:
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/n8092.htm
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true
An excellent book on the Boxcar is available:
Fairchild C-82 Packet/C-119 Flying Boxcar (Aerofax) by Alwyn T. Llyod
I just check on Amazon and its available there for $36.95,and well worth the price.It should be available through most aviation book sources.
A couple of links concerning N8092 follow:
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/n8092.htm
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true
An excellent book on the Boxcar is available:
Fairchild C-82 Packet/C-119 Flying Boxcar (Aerofax) by Alwyn T. Llyod
I just check on Amazon and its available there for $36.95,and well worth the price.It should be available through most aviation book sources.