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Does anybody remember an AJ Cherry? Did a wingwalking show?
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I saw him in Washington PA in the 70's Very good show. Hey, is he still around??


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It must have been him. He had a crash a while back--in the 90's...With his wingwalker still on the wing (near Lafayette). This was not at an airshow, I think they must have been practicing a new act or something. Looking at the picture of his plane it sure looks right!

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Anybody remember Joe Hughes and the super stearman?

Its behind the Harrier in the pic with Art Scholl in the super Chipmunk.

What ever happened to him?

I remember his wing walker was killed while he was flying inverted, and something about losing the rudder.



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Back to Art Scholl for a moment.
As a kid , I remember seeing him every year up here in Canada at the Hamilton Airshow back in the 70's
He would always arrive , taxi off the runway , stop and roll back his canopy.It was then that his little black dog Aileron, would hop out and sit on the wingtip as he taxied in. The crowd loved it.
Also I saw Joe Hughes last Canadian show before his wingwalker, Gordon McCollum was killed an month later practicing the inverted ribbon snatch trick.( I still have the local paper clipping) In Cal if I recall ???

Both men were great entertainers and I thank them for the great childhood memories may they RIP.

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Gordon was killed at Reno, Art took off and flew to distract the crowed and again later after a T-6 accident.

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Gordon McCollom was killed at Reno in '75. Hughes had gotten permission to do the inverted ribbon pick-up over the ramp instead of the runway so the crowd would have a better view. Sadly, McCollom's wife was holding one of the poles. Also, I think this accident happened the same day of a fatal T-6 crash. The fact that Hughes was able to roll upright without rudder is pretty incredible.
It was widely known that Scholl did not like Hughes doing a ribbon pick up because Scholl usually did one too. Scholl felt as if Hughes was stealing some of his thunder. They both had the same sponsor, Penzoil, and Scholl went to them worried about an engine failure on the Stearman during the critical moment of pick up. It was suggested to Hughes to go to altitude and practice simulated engine failures withMcCollom on the wing and ensure that he could recover with no altitude loss. He found he could gain 500 ft. Of course, he knew before hand of the impending failures. When the actual accident happened, he had just snagged the ribbon and pushed but it just sank instead of climbing.
Hughes has always maintained that he did not screw up, that there was wind shear of some kind.
If you saved your old Air Progress mags, there is an interview with Hughes about the accident. Its probably a late '75 or early '76 issue.

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Thanks for the correction, I wasn't sure of the location
A tragic incident any way you lok at it.

Gordon was the first wingwalker I saw in person


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I was at Reno when the T-6s crashed and I think it was 1976?

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Val Kilmer did not want to be in this film, but was forced to by contractual obligations.


Matthew Modine was originally selected to play Maverick but he turned the part down.


One of the unused call-signs 'Tombstone' can be seen on a black fighter pilot helmet with three red arrows in promotional photos featuring Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson.


The aircraft used for the fictional MiG-28s are Northrop F-5E (single seat) and F (two seat) Tiger IIs, which were used by TOPGUN as aggressor aircraft.


'Anthony Edwards' , Michael Ironside, and Rick Rossovich all went on to roles in the t.v. series "ER" (1994). Edwards: Dr. Mark Greene, Ironside: Dr. William "Wild Willy" Swift, Rossovich: Dr. John "Tag" Taglieri


During the final furball, Stinger orders, "Ready Willard and Simkin on cats 3 and 4" - a reference to dogfight choreographer "Rat" Willard and naval consultant Semkin.


Bryan Adams was asked to allow his song "Only the Strong Survive" on the soundtrack, but he refused because he felt that the film glorified war.


In several locker scenes, one of the lockers is labeled as belonging to "TEX". This is the call sign for one of the top gun instructors and Mig pilots that worked on the film, Lt. William 'Tex' Spence.


Charlie's "older man" date at the officer's club is the real-life "Viper", Pete Pettigrew. He is a retired Navy pilot and TOPGUN instructor, and shot down a MiG during the Vietnam War. He served as the technical consultant on the film.


Actor Trademark: [Val Kilmer] flipping a pen over his knuckles.


The piano scene and the final bar/jukebox scene were shot in a San Diego restaurant called Kansas City BBQ, at the corner of Kettner Blvd and W. Harbor Drive. The restaurant now houses many props and memorabilia from the film, including the jukebox and Maverick's flight helmet sits behind the bar in a locked display case.


The scene where Maverick follows Charlie into the bathroom was filmed at the Headquarters Building at Recruit Training Command, San Diego.


During the filming of some sequences from civilian aircraft, longtime Hollywood stunt pilot Art Scholl was killed. A biplane he was flying crashed off the Pacific Coast. The film is dedicated to his memory.


Director Tony Scott wrote a quick check for $25,000 to the commander of the aircraft carrier in order to capture one vital external shot.


The love scene between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis was filmed after initial test screenings. Moviegoers complained that there was no love scene, so the company obliged. McGillis, however, had already dyed her hair darker for her next film. This is why the scene is tinted blue. Also noticeable as a subsequent shoot due to the longer length of Tom Cruise's hair (particularly in front).


Like the love scene, the elevator scene (where Maverick and Charlie meet after Mav's workout) was filmed post-production. Kelly McGillis's hair had already been colored for another movie role, that is why she is wearing a hat. Tom Cruise's hair is longer in the shot, as well.


Just before the film started production, one of the producers announced that they wanted to use the Bruce Springsteen song "Born in the USA" but attempts to secure the song were unsuccessful.


Both John Carpenter and David Cronenberg turned down the chance to direct.


An early trailer was scored to the Cars' song "Stranger Eyes", from the album "Heartbeat City". The song is not in the movie or on the soundtrack.


Riding on the back of this film's success, the US Navy set up recruiting booths in the major cinemas to try and catch some of the adrenaline charged guys leaving the screenings. They had the highest applications rate for years as a result.


A script for "Top Gun 2" was completed shortly after the release of the film, but it broke down in pre-production because 1) the military's technology had become updated and they didn't want camera crew anywhere near their new aircraft and 2) Cruise did not want a sequel and finally agreed to star in one for a very high amount that was deemed "unaffordable." The script followed the further adventures of Maverick as an instructer at the Top Gun academy, the twist being a cocky female reminiscent of himself joining the team.


Most of the actors who portrayed F-14 crewmembers received backseat rides in the F-14, and several of the scenes which appear in the film were filmed with the actors in the air.


Voted #3 Must See Movie of all time by listeners of Capital FM in London.


Following the movie, some of the F-5s used as the "MiG-28s" maintained their black paint schemes and served as "aggressor" aircraft simulating enemy planes in the real-life Top Gun program.


The pilot that gets "flipped off" by Maverick and Goose is Admiral Robert F. Willard, the lead flight choreographer for the film. He is now (2005) the Vice Admiral of Naval Operations for the US Navy.


After the "Car chase" when Charlie tells Marverick that she didn't want anyone to find out she was falling for him, Maverick originally had a line to say. Tom Cruise forgot the line and "ad libbed" by kissing Kelly McGillis instead. The director liked it so much, he left the scene like that.


Judas Priest were asked to contribute the song "Reckless" to the soundtrack, but declined because they thought the movie would flop. Two years later, they contributed a cover of "Johnny B. Goode" to the movie of the same name, which turned out to be a flop.


Director Tony Scott was officially fired three times during production.


Harold Faltermeyer's music score was the first to be performed and recorded on the polyphonic 16 bit stereo Synclavier Digital Music System.


During the opening dogfight, music from the film Thief of Hearts, composed by Top Gun composer Harold Faltermeyer, can be heard over-scoring action. The sequence had originally been temp-tracked to this music, so it was used when Harold Faltermeyer had left the project and the Top Gun score incomplete.


The callsign 'Ghostrider' that Maverick uses for his plane was the name of a real F-14 squadron (VF-142), and a model of a Tomcat from that squadron can be seen behind Sundown in the shot where Maverick tells Slider he stinks.


The motorcycle ridden by Tom Cruise in the movie is a Kawasaki Ninja 900 / GPz900R, then the fastest production motorcycle in the world.


Pete "Maverick" Mitchell's first name was Evan in early scripts of the film. It was later changed to Pete as an homage to Pete Pettigrew, who worked on the film (Pettigrew appears in the bar scene early in the film as Charlie's older male date.)


In early drafts of the film, the character whose call sign is Merlin actually had the last name of Merlin, and his call sign was Wizard.


Giorgio Moroder wrote most of the music for the songs on the soundtrack. Tom Whitlock, who wrote the majority of the lyrics to these songs, was actually the mechanic who worked on Moroder's sports car.


An official release of Harold Faltermeyer's score for the film has never been done. Two pieces of score appear on the current soundtrack, but the complete score has yet to be released.


The movie's line "I feel the need - the need for speed!" was voted as the #94 movie quote by the American Film Institute (out of 100).


Scott Baio declined the role of Maverick.


The Navy only authorized two actual missile shots to be filmed for the movie. You can clearly pick out these two shots, ultimately shot from several angles each in order to use both shots repeatedly during the dogfighting scenes, because the aircraft firing the missile is holding a steady altitude and heading, something that would never happen in a real close-in dogfight. All other missile shots shown in the movie were conducted using miniatures of both the planes and rockets. The company that produced and fired the model missiles did such a good job that the Dept. of the Navy conducted a preliminary investigation into whether any additional live firings of missiles, beyond the two originally authorized, were done for the filmmakers.


While Tim Robbins played the role of a RIO (Radar Intercept Officer, or the "guy in the back seat"), he could never fit in the cramped cockpit of an F-14 Tomcat. In fact, it's widely rumored that Tom Cruise is the only actor playing a pilot in the film that actually meets the Navy's maximum height requirements for the F-14!


While many terms used in the movie either match or are closely based on real terms used by naval aviators and the pilots in general, the term "going ballistic" has no real correlation to any aviation or naval term. It was made up for the movie. Ironically, "going ballistic" is now in common usage by pilots, and is used for any maneuver where the aircraft is put into a vertical or nearly-vertical climb.



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Trivia items below here contain information that may give away important plot points. You may not want to read any further if you've not already seen this title.


SPOILER: The film was originally going to have a scene near the end where Maverick visited Goose's grave. A filmed version of this scene was never released, however still screen shots from what such a scene would have looked like are available on the special edition DVD


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The T-6 was N612MD, flown by MD Washburn. Crashed 9-12-1975.
The Hughes/McCollom accident was about 15 minutes later.
Not a good day at Reno.

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I saw Art perform at Falcon Field in Mesa, Az several times, both in the Chipmonk and as the flying farmer. The one that stands out was the time he had finsihed the routine and had landed and as he went past the crowd, he opened the canopy an placed his dog Aileron on the wing, who then ran out to the wingtip. Art came in a little to fast and when he made the turn to face the crowd, Aileron went flying, hit the ground and rolled a few times. Art Jumped out of the plane and went after Aileron, who had by now stopped rolling and got up. Aileron then looked over it's shoulder at Art, who was running toward Aileron, and Aileron kind of gave Art a dirty look and started to trot away from Art as if to say, dump me on my A** and see what happens.


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While many terms used in the movie either match or are closely based on real terms used by naval aviators and the pilots in general, the term "going ballistic" has no real correlation to any aviation or naval term. It was made up for the movie. Ironically, "going ballistic" is now in common usage by pilots, and is used for any maneuver where the aircraft is put into a vertical or nearly-vertical climb.

Actually, "going ballistic" does have a correlation to an aviation term; it is used to describe the effects of a missile--such as a Sidewinder--that fire off the rail but the rocket motor fails to fire, or the missile goes off guidance...hence, heading for the planet, or "going ballistic". However, the term indeed was misused in the movie.

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Actually it has it's roots in the early days of the ICBM, when the missile actually went ballistic during it's flight instead of rocket propelled...By the time the term was used in the movie it was actually in use in the Air Force as slang for someone who had lost control. Prolly one of those things that gets around a bit, and the Navy people used it on the set, and it got picked up and used...

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In current fighter use, if you're 'ballistic' it references running out of speed at the top of a vertical maneuver...the airplane is just flying a ballistic flight path rather than being controlled by the pilot's inputs.


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