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That was Art Scholl in his Pitts.

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No way. I knew Art as a kid in Louisiana-he let me play with his dog. He used to do flybys where he would lean out the window and scream, and loose his hat, and act drunk! He was a terrific guy, always nice to me and really funny. I never knew he died, and I've tried to hunt him down in the last year, just to thank him for all the memories. He was one of the good ones. :(

*EDIT* how could I have missed this? I never realized he was a legend and I never thought to google his name.


You knew Art when you were a kid in Louisiana? Interesting. You learn something new everyday. All of these years I thought Art lived and worked in California. I know he died in ’85 and that he taught at San Bernardino Valley College for 18years and that he was based at Fla-Bob out Riverside way. I used to fly in there a lot in the ‘70s. Gosh I saw him several times at Reno and El Toro. Never knew he had a Louisiana connection. Interesting.

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That was Art Scholl in his Pitts.

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No way. I knew Art as a kid in Louisiana-he let me play with his dog. He used to do flybys where he would lean out the window and scream, and loose his hat, and act drunk! He was a terrific guy, always nice to me and really funny. I never knew he died, and I've tried to hunt him down in the last year, just to thank him for all the memories. He was one of the good ones. :(

*EDIT* how could I have missed this? I never realized he was a legend and I never thought to google his name.


Perhaps you have him confused with Woodrow Budrow Scholl, the famous Cajun airshow pilot who often screamed 'AYEEEEE' from his DeHavilland Belch Fire Special.

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bipe215 wrote:
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That was Art Scholl in his Pitts.

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No way. I knew Art as a kid in Louisiana-he let me play with his dog. He used to do flybys where he would lean out the window and scream, and loose his hat, and act drunk! He was a terrific guy, always nice to me and really funny. I never knew he died, and I've tried to hunt him down in the last year, just to thank him for all the memories. He was one of the good ones. :(

*EDIT* how could I have missed this? I never realized he was a legend and I never thought to google his name.


Perhaps you have him confused with Woodrow Budrow Scholl, the famous Cajun airshow pilot who often screamed 'AYEEEEE' from his DeHavilland Belch Fire Special.

Steve G


Put a hold on your Cajun Connection, Dan. I think Bipe has the answer to my confusion. Please excuse the fuzzy 25 year old memories of a little kid. I alwyas thought of him as Doc Scholl (a joke I think he used to intoduce himself) and I guess the Art/Woodrow Boudreaux thing got me confused. When I read the name Scholl I jumped to the wrong conclusion, obviously. This would also explain why nobdy knew what the heck I was talking about when I called back home to find out if he was still around LoL!

Now that I have totally derailed this thread for a moment...Does anybody remember an AJ Cherry? Did a wingwalking show? Seems like he also owned the Microjet used in that James Bond Movie...Although I may have him and another Houma pilot confused agai. I went to school with his kids...but As in my "Scholl" wackiness it could easily be my memory.

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One more piece of trivia- for the production, only one live sidewinder launch was allowed. They mounted several film cameras on the launch aircraft and chase planes (including the camera mounted under Clay's film Lear) and conducted a live launch against a drone. They then used the various angles, creative editing, and even flipping the film to create the illusion of all of the additional Sidewinder launches. The effects and editing teams did such a good job with what they were given and the model launches (launching a model rocket off a large model) that the Navy almost canceled the production after screening the film under the belief that somehow the production company had convinced the units involved in the filming to launch more missiles.

My hats are off to the VFX and SFX guys who worked on Top Gun, they did with NO computers what has been extremely difficult for everyone since to do - fool people into being unable to tell the difference between a model / FX shot and the real thing. The only thing done in "CGI" was the bullet tracers. Everything else was 100% non-computer effects.


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Also the Tomcat that was used in the movie as maverick's F-14 is now on the Aircraft carrier in Texas.

The call signs where real callsigns in Top Gun

In the scene when maverick and Goose sing to Charlie, her friend shows up and she goes to have dinner with him. That is a real Top Gun instructor, call sign "Viper".

The Character Charlie was supposed to be a young hottie, and her job was not going to be part of the film. Theychanged their minds and wanted someone more distinguished instead, and made her a rep from a contractor, that the U.S. Navy really uses.

The class room scene in the hangar was funny, since Top Gun had a new and very nice class room they were going to let them use, but the director thought it would look cooler in the hangar. For what it is worth, it worked.

Real top gun pilots are in the background during many of the scenes

The scene when Maverick and Goose talk of their encounter with the Mig was in many parts ad libbed.

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I also forgot the countless Pop culture icons that the movie gave us. Including the "Wingman" and the dreaded "Bogeys".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NItiO8PFBu8

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bipe215 wrote:
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bipe215 wrote:
That was Art Scholl in his Pitts.

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No way. I knew Art as a kid in Louisiana-he let me play with his dog. He used to do flybys where he would lean out the window and scream, and loose his hat, and act drunk! He was a terrific guy, always nice to me and really funny. I never knew he died, and I've tried to hunt him down in the last year, just to thank him for all the memories. He was one of the good ones. :(

*EDIT* how could I have missed this? I never realized he was a legend and I never thought to google his name.


Perhaps you have him confused with Woodrow Budrow Scholl, the famous Cajun airshow pilot who often screamed 'AYEEEEE' from his DeHavilland Belch Fire Special.

Steve G


Put a hold on your Cajun Connection, Dan. I think Bipe has the answer to my confusion. Please excuse the fuzzy 25 year old memories of a little kid. I alwyas thought of him as Doc Scholl (a joke I think he used to intoduce himself) and I guess the Art/Woodrow Boudreaux thing got me confused. When I read the name Scholl I jumped to the wrong conclusion, obviously. This would also explain why nobdy knew what the heck I was talking about when I called back home to find out if he was still around LoL!

Now that I have totally derailed this thread for a moment...Does anybody remember an AJ Cherry? Did a wingwalking show? Seems like he also owned the Microjet used in that James Bond Movie...Although I may have him and another Houma pilot confused agai. I went to school with his kids...but As in my "Scholl" wackiness it could easily be my memory.




The owner and pilot of the BD-5J in the Bond film was Corky Fornoff.

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The pilot in a f-14 cant be hit by the canopy. The center line of a f-14 canopy is lined with a small explosive charge that splits the canopy in two halves after ejection. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks


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bipe215 wrote:
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That was Art Scholl in his Pitts.

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No way. I knew Art as a kid in Louisiana-he let me play with his dog. He used to do flybys where he would lean out the window and scream, and loose his hat, and act drunk! He was a terrific guy, always nice to me and really funny. I never knew he died, and I've tried to hunt him down in the last year, just to thank him for all the memories. He was one of the good ones. :(

*EDIT* how could I have missed this? I never realized he was a legend and I never thought to google his name.


Perhaps you have him confused with Woodrow Budrow Scholl, the famous Cajun airshow pilot who often screamed 'AYEEEEE' from his DeHavilland Belch Fire Special.

Steve G


Put a hold on your Cajun Connection, Dan. I think Bipe has the answer to my confusion. Please excuse the fuzzy 25 year old memories of a little kid. I alwyas thought of him as Doc Scholl (a joke I think he used to intoduce himself) and I guess the Art/Woodrow Boudreaux thing got me confused. When I read the name Scholl I jumped to the wrong conclusion, obviously. This would also explain why nobdy knew what the heck I was talking about when I called back home to find out if he was still around LoL!

Now that I have totally derailed this thread for a moment...Does anybody remember an AJ Cherry? Did a wingwalking show? Seems like he also owned the Microjet used in that James Bond Movie...Although I may have him and another Houma pilot confused agai. I went to school with his kids...but As in my "Scholl" wackiness it could easily be my memory.




The owner and pilot of the BD-5J in the Bond film was Corky Fornoff.

Steve G


Thanks! Been trying to straigten that out too. It must have been the Fornoff kids I was in school with.

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The pilot in a f-14 cant be hit by the canopy. The center line of a f-14 canopy is lined with a small explosive charge that splits the canopy in two halves after ejection. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfM5FxnWPm4

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I just found out some interesting stuff about the movie. Being that it is going to be presented at EAA theatre in the woods, I thought some of you might be interested in this.

Top Gun was to be originally named TOPGUNS, but the Navy wanted it changed to the same name as the school.

After it's release, it was number one for a few weeks, but stayed in theaters for more than a year.

The flat spin scene in the movie was inspired by a true to life event that took place on a training mission. Same with the Death of "Goose". According to an F-14 Top Gun instructor, in a flat spin the pilot is pinned in a position that he can not reach the ejection handle. The RIO is pinned to a spot where he can, and has to be the one to punch them out. Now if the aircraft is in a flat spin, and the canopy is blown, the canopy will come of differently from a normal ejection. The crew would have to wait until the canopy is gone before punching out. You are not going through the glass in an F-14.

Several different scenes where shot for endings, involving maverick landing his plane, none where used.

At one point the director was getting ready to film, and the Capt. of the carrier turned the carrier in a different direction, messing up the lighting for the movie crew. The Director talked to the Capt. about returning to the old heading. The Capt. said it would cost the navy $25,000 to do that. The director wrote him a check on the spot for $25,000. The carrier was turned back to the old heading.


The command eject handle is located on the left console next to the RIO, on the A model it was a two position deal, giving full authority command eject both from the flight deck to either the pilot or the RIO. The ejection sequence with the Martin-Baker seat was either pull the handle between your legs or the handles on the face curtain just above and behind your helmet. There was also a seperate handle in both cockpits for jettsion of the canopy, however, pull the seat handles and the canopy is gone, no lag like in the movie. Even in a flat spin I don't think the movie senario is plausible. I never saw this in person but was told, that if the canopy jettison handle was pulled it would leave with enough force to clear the vertical stabs, ie like a field goal splitting the uprights.

Naval aviators and ground personnel where not only from TOPGUN,but many squadrons. In the pool scene my XO, from VF-124 can be seen. The controller that spills his coffee for the second time is on the upper deck of 124s hangar, which is hangar 3, Topgun was hangar 1. The movie is really a tour of every base in the greater San Diego area. The infamous bathroom scene is at boot camp NTC San Diego. The volleyball scene, was filmed in the field between our barracks and the bowling alley.

Lot of inconsistencies, but, what the heck, it was a hollywood movie not a NAVAIR training film.


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It sure is a fun movie. I think that it is a great choice for KOSH.

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