Worst movie for aircraft accuracy?

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:23 pm

famvburg wrote:

Also, in "The Aviator", I belive a Tora Kate was modified to look like the Hughes Racer. I think also in the Howard Hughes movie back in the '70s, starring Tommy Lee Jones, they used a Kate as the racer.

FYI,
"The Aviator" used a full sized, non flying replica of the H-1 racer, not a Kate, along with a large scale radio controlled model as well as a CGI H-1 racer.

"The Amazing Howard Hughes" with Tommy Lee Jones did indeed use a Tora Kate with the rear section of canopy removed and lowered.

As a side note, one Tora bird was used in "The Aviator". The Tora Val from the Planes of Fame was used for rearward facing cockpit shots as the racer flew over the time trials. A recreated H-1 Cockpit and canopy were added over the Val's rear cockpit and a camera was mounted to the rollover structure. Later, Leo was added to the actual cockpit.
Blues skies,
Jerry

Punisher05 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:57 pm

Gentlemen...there's a gem you've all missed

I believe it's called "Stealth Fighter" and you can still catch it on FX every once in a while.

Every flying shot is taken directly from "Flight of the Intruder" with a blue tint (for night) thrown over it. Oh, and the cockpit shots show the inside of the "stealth fighter" to be about the size of a Zepplin hangar.

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:19 pm

I have always missed "Stealth Fighter" because I've had my head in the toilet throwing up every time I try to watch it! :lol:

Jerry

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:09 am

Airdales wrote:

I have always missed "Stealth Fighter" because I've had my head in the toilet throwing up every time I try to watch it! :lol:

Jerry

You think it is bad on TV, you should have seen it in the theater. They gave away a bunch of tickets to the FBOs in the Phx area for a sneek preview. I think they knew it was bad so they did not even have anyone to ask us what we thought of it.

famvburg · **Joined:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:41 am **Posts:** 540

This is interesting. Do you have any other info or drawings?

CAPFlyer wrote:

One thing to remember about the B222 used for Airwolf- it was based upon a real Bell proposal for an armed variant of the B222, including the "folding" guns (which were .50" Brownings, not 20mm cannon although I think that the series called them 20mm cannon). The under-belly rocket launcher would have used LAW-type munitions of the 40-70mm variety and would have been unguided.

Sadly, the aircraft was demodified after the series and crashed about 10 years ago in Germany while serving as a rescue helicopter.

famvburg · **Joined:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:41 am **Posts:** 540

That's right, it was a Val! I knew I read somewhere that it was a Tora bird & I guess since a Kate was used in the earlier flick, I was thinking it was used again.

Airdales wrote:

famvburg wrote:

Also, in "The Aviator", I belive a Tora Kate was modified to look like the Hughes Racer. I think also in the Howard Hughes movie back in the '70s, starring Tommy Lee Jones, they used a Kate as the racer.

FYI,
"The Aviator" used a full sized, non flying replica of the H-1 racer, not a Kate, along with a large scale radio controlled model as well as a CGI H-1 racer.

"The Amazing Howard Hughes" with Tommy Lee Jones did indeed use a Tora Kate with the rear section of canopy removed and lowered.

As a side note, one Tora bird was used in "The Aviator". The Tora Val from the Planes of Fame was used for rearward facing cockpit shots as the racer flew over the time trials. A recreated H-1 Cockpit and canopy were added over the Val's rear cockpit and a camera was mounted to the rollover structure. Later, Leo was added to the actual cockpit.
Blues skies,
Jerry

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:17 am

I'm not sure it ever got past the proposal stage. The information was given to me by a Bell Helicopter engineer who worked on the B222 project and said that when Cannell (may have misspelled that) came around looking for a "super chopper" for his new show, he was shown the proposal and used that to create Airwolf. Obviously he took it a lot further than Bell ever thought of, but Bell did end up selling some B222s to militaries who then armed them, so it wasn't totally "off the reservation".

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:25 am

Quote:

Glenn Miller Story with Jimmy Stewart?

Nope - I posted it on another thread; it was the 1959 film "The Wreck of the Mary Deare":

vg-photo · **Posted:** Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:42 pm

I am surprised that no one mentioned F-5s being used as MiG-28s in Top Gun! :roll:

I remember the chuckles about that when I saw it for the first time. I was in the base theater at RAF Lakenheath.

"Let's paint these F-5s gloss back and put a red star with a circle on it... Do you think anyone will notice that they don't look like MiGs?"

:lol:

famvburg · **Joined:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:41 am **Posts:** 540

So what would you have suggested? How many real MiGs were available for movies back in '85 or '86? After all, fake MiGs 'were' good enough for the USAF & USN.

vg-photo wrote:

I am surprised that no one mentioned F-5s being used as MiG-28s in Top Gun! :roll:

I remember the chuckles about that when I saw it for the first time. I was in the base theater at RAF Lakenheath.

"Let's paint these F-5s gloss back and put a red star with a circle on it... Do you think anyone will notice that they don't look like MiGs?"

:lol:

gregv · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:06 pm

Punisher05 wrote:

Gentlemen...there's a gem you've all missed

I believe it's called "Stealth Fighter" ...and the cockpit shots show the inside of the "stealth fighter" to be about the size of a Zepplin hangar.

Wasn't the cockpit of the B2 in "Broken Arrow" also grossly over-sized? Lots of room to move the camera around I guess.

greg v.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:16 pm

Does any body beside me remember seeing some grade b movie where they are sneaking agents into Europe in a (ready for this) a Cessna 206. Now thats stretching it a little to far.

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:24 pm

Obergrafeter wrote:

Does any body beside me remember seeing some grade b movie where they are sneaking agents into Europe in a (ready for this) a Cessna 206. Now thats stretching it a little to far.

Didn't they try to get Pat's 205 first? Guess they had to go with the 206 instead...

Lynn

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:28 pm

Yes, but the 205 could only get airborn with 1 passenger and 21 gals of fuel. What a piece of sh1t. What was Cessna thinking?

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:09 am

The Top Gun F-5's as Mig 28's is not that far of a stretch as they are used as the enemy aircraft in Top Gun and Red Flag. Also the markings they carried for the movie belong to that of a real aggressor squadron that was at oshkosh last year at Aeroshell Square.

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