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 Post subject: Favorite Aviation Story
PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:04 am 
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I was just curious about your favorite aviation story. I'll start off with my favorite two. Both from my father, Henry Rose, who was a naval flight engineer in A-3 Skywarriors and later EP-3C Orions.

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My father was in a KA-3 off a carrier (either the Rossevelt or the Wasp, not sure which) doing aerial refueling over the Med with the rest of the carrier group. The sun was going down and they were practising aerial refueling sans radio. I guess using lights or hand gestures? Anyways, a F-4 Phantom slids into the slot and hooks up to the hose and starts taking on fuel. No one questions it due to the radio silent nature of the exercise. The Phantoms fills up and discnnect and pulls forward off the wing and my father sees the Star Of David markings and realizes a Israeli phantom has just stolen a sizable amount of fuel. The Israeli pilot wags his wings and peels off into the gloom. I always wondered if they got billed for that one.


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A-3's again, this time EA-3's out of Rota NAS in Spain, on detatchment to an unknown carrier. During a nice sunny day my fathers plane was out and about and the resident fighter squadron, flying phantoms decides to run interepts on my fathers whale. The plane commander, knowing that several of the phantom pilots are on there first cruise decides to not make it easy for the newbie pilots. The commander knew that at full throttle the A-3 will pull away from the Phantom slightly. Of course when the Phantom hit afterburner (or reheat) then it was all over. Now the flight engineer (my father) sits back to back with the pilot and as the Phantoms make thier runs my father calls out thier positions. The commander accelerates from the Phantom, much to the surprise of the newbie pilot. The phantom pilot then lights the afterburner, however, the moment he does my father calls it out and the A-3 pilot dirties up the plane as much as possible, flaps, gear, speed brakes, everything comes out. The A-3 relatively stops in the air as the phantom, now going way to fast, shoots past the A-3. As soon as its past the whale pilot cleans up everything, goes into full throttle and slips into six oclock position and calls "Guns! Guns! guns!" on the radio (the EA-3 has no guns, and the bomber variant only has a tail turret) and claims a "kill".

Of course the rest of the phantom pilots squadron learns of his "demise" at the hands of a whale and is ragged on for the rest of the cruise.

Its my understanding that this particular whale pilot used to pull this off once a cruise.




Well those are my two stories, lets here yours!

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Great stuff Scott! :D

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Here's one of my favorites... Some names are omitted to protect the... well, to protect their memory.

My dad flew B-24s out of Italy - 766th BS/461st BG... They were a replacement crew, and picked up a new B-24M to ferry into the theater. At the depot, they were told that they wouldn't be taking their Bombardier with them as there was a surplus of Bombardiers where they were headed, and their guy was going to be reassigned.

They spent a few days at the depot, waiting to be assigned their aircraft, and making test hops on various airframes in the meantime. The depot was PACKED with '24s.

One day they were given a kid who had been left behind by his crew due to illness or something - not terribly unusual according to my dad, but for some reason the staff decided he needed some time aloft, and he was plugged into my dad's crew for a hop.

Like I said, the depot was just jammed with aircraft, and there were very narrow lanes through which the Libs had to taxi on their way to the runway. My dad calls out 'We better get somebody on the wing till we're out of this mess', meaning that he wanted someone to walk along under the wingtip so as to avoid clipping any of the parked aircraft. The Radio Op was in the open command deck hatch keeping an eye out, and he decides to send the new kid out to watch the starboard wing.

They are taxiing along when suddenly, the Copliot screams ROB!!!! STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!! My dad toes the brakes and looks out past the Copilot and sure enough... you guessed it... the new kid is clinging to the leading edge between engines 3&4. The radio op had sent him out there and didn't bother to tell him that he was supposed to be on the ground!

They get the kid back in and complete the hop, and after the rest of the crew was dismissed, my dad corrals the Radio Op and dresses him down but good. "Sgt. -----, why is it that you continually #&$* up the simplest tasks and place one crewmember after another in danger because of your actions!?!?!"

"Well, Lt. Hoskins, my Mama doesn't want me to go overseas, and I figured that if I messed up enough, you'd kick me off the crew."

"Well, you can get that out of your head right now! Your mama doesn't want you to go overseas, Lt. Tucker's mama doesn't want him to go over seas, hell, MY mama doesn't want me to go overseas, but I'll guarantee you this right now... You're GOING overseas, and you're going with US!"

I wish there was a happy ending that concludes with the guy shaping up and becoming an asset to the crew, but the truth be told, he was a bane to the crew throughout their tour, ending up in continual conflict, mostly with the Flight Engineer with whom he shared the waist position. There are hours of stories I never heard about that until I tracked all the surviving crewmembers down several years ago, but I'll save those for another day.

...But when I think of that poor sap clinging to the wing, I still have to chuckle...

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A dear friend of mine told me this one. My friend Sam Hitchcock was the CO of the 366th FS 358th FG flying P-47Ds in Europe towards the end of the war. The Deputy Group CO was scheduled to fly a mission with Sam's squadron in his brand new shiny P-47D. His wingman was a newly assigned 19 year-old Flight Officer on his first mission. After their briefing, the young FO was told to stick to the Col like glue. Since it was a formation take-off the go signal was a quick forward bob of the leader's head. Our intrepid birdman was all set to go and his leaders wing, power up and the brake on when he saw the leader head go down. Off he went but to his horror the leader 47 never moved. He chopped power and locked the brakes but ran over the leader's shiny 47 chopping it to pieces all the way to the armor plate at the rear of the cockpit. After the Col quite screaming at the crestfallen aviator he told the Col that he could have sworn he saw the go signal. After which the Col sheepishly admitted that he had sneezed!


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Guys, these are all great stories! They remind me of one an older gentleman shared with me while we worked on an old airplane project together. If I recall correctly, the majority of his B-29 combat time was spent on missions mining Japanese territorial waters and SAR duty (in contrast to the more "glamorous" task of bombing raids over Japan proper).

To break up one day's monotony, the brains up front decided to shoot an approach on a US flattop they'd spotted. One can imagine the chaos on the carrier deck when the LSO spotted the Superfort lining up with flaps and gear down...deck crew scrambling, every light up top flashing furiously what the Navy thought of the 20th AF...

I completely forgot to ask him how much hot water his crew got into over that episode... 8)

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I remember one that JCW told me a while back. He was driving his old HC-130P off the Oregon coast when his squadron was practing their SAR thing. The loadmaster was sitting on the lowered ramp tossing out the green dye markers on the imaginary victims. He managed to toss one just right and it swirled around for just a second before coming back and smacking him in the face. He was green for a week. After then landed they hosed out the inside of the Herk and turned the ramp green for a week. That pissed everyone off!

Ask Brad to tell the tale of the "Desert Duck"!!!!


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We never dropped the dye markers out of the slick Herks when I flew them, but we did throw one in the fountain a our hotel in Yuma, AZ several years ago. We were out there dropping some of the guys from the HALO school. The Raddisson Inn folks were none too pleased with us.

Now for the Desert Duck story. One of my all time favorites!



Back before political correctness became the order of the day, taking trophies from other squadrons and branches of service was a part of military life. “Souvenir hunting” was a favorite past time and largely accepted. It was always done in good fun and if you took something from another squadron, they usually got it back.

During the summer of 1997, my crew was flying the Might Hercules out of Al Karj Air Base in Saudi Arabia. We were doing our annual ninety day rotation in support of Operation Southern Watch. One afternoon we delivered some cargo to Manama, Bahrain. There is a U.S. Navy helicopter squadron stationed there. I believe they are either HC-6 or HC-8 but I don’t remember for sure. Anyhow, they are called the “Desert Ducks”.

My flight engineer came walking out of the Navy hanger and told me that he had found me the perfect souvenir, but he didn’t think I was brave enough to go take it. I followed him to the hanger where he showed me a zinc chromate green, two foot tall statue of a duck, made out of concrete, sitting on top of a desk. I went back to the Herk and got my backpack, then walked back over to the duck. With my engineer playing lookout, I quickly raked the duck off into my backpack. This is when I found out that the duck weighed about 75 or 80 pounds. The backpack hit the ground with a loud noise, but nobody seemed to notice. I hoisted it over my shoulder and headed back out to the plane. Some of the concrete on one of his legs had broken away when I dropped him in the hanger and the rebar was showing but otherwise he was ok. When we got back to Al Karj, I put the duck in our tent, under my bunk.

Now, tent life is pretty boring and people have a tendency to do all sorts of weird stuff to occupy their time. One of the more popular things to do is tie a person to their bunk with parachute cord while they are sleeping and carry them outside for everybody to laugh at. I awoke one morning just as my bunk was being picked up, held by my easily entertained tent mates. As they headed outside, with me strapped down to the bunk, one of the guys tripped over the concrete duck that had been under my bunk. He broke most of his toes and I was dumped off in the sand, still tied up.

For the next couple of months, we carried the duck every time we flew a mission. Just before we rotated back to the states, we flew one last mission into Manama, Bahrain. While I was loading the plane, a Navy Captain walked up the cargo ramp. He asked if I had flown this plane to this airfield on a certain date. I looked at my logbook and told him that we had. He then asked if I knew anything about a duck. I told him that I knew they waddled when they walked and said quack but that was about the extent of my knowledge. He didn’t think that was nearly as funny as I did and told me that their mascot was a green concrete duck and it had been stolen. I made a few comments about that being a stupid mascot and he told me that somebody had stolen it on the date in question and that since my crew had been at the airfield that day we were suspects. I assured him that we hadn’t stolen his stupid duck and then he asked if I had any idea who took it. There was a RAF Herk parked a couple of spots over from us. I told the Captain that it was probably the Brits that took his precious duck, because they had also been on his base that day and they were basically vagrants that would steal the coins from a dead man’s eyes. He thought that suggestion had merit and he walked down the ramp to go visit with the Brits. Had he walked through the crew entrance door at either point, he would have seen his big green duck tied to the emergency escape step on the flight deck.

Over the next year or so, somebody from the squadron carried that dang duck all over the world. Everywhere we went, we took a picture of him in front of a prominent land mark or something more interesting. He has been on six continents, carried to the top of the Eiffel tower, sat in front of the statue of liberty, flown in “Red Flag” in Las Vegas, surrounded by strippers in Florida, tied to a surf board in Hawaii, sat in bed with prostitutes in the former Soviet Union, on safari in Africa, laid out on the ground beside unconscious heroin addicts in Amsterdam and sat on the bar at just about every drinking establishment we entered, all over the world. Every time we took the duck somewhere, we took a picture of it. These pictures were sent ,from time to time, to the U.S. Navy helicopter squadron in Manama, Bahrain; usually with a letter from the duck telling of his travels.

Eventually, the duck got too heavy to carry around and was getting to beat up from being dropped and bumped into things. He sat in our squadron for another year or so before “somebody I know” carried him to his parent’s house in Texas. When they sold the place and moved to Oklahoma a few years ago, they carried the duck with them. He is now being used as a door stop.

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Brad, I was giving your story the "hairy eyeball" there for a second, because it seemed to violate one of the major rules of mascot thievery -- you ALWAYS send a ransom note, along with the most embarassing photos of it you can find. Then, when they give you the ransom (however much beer you want to drink, cocaine and hookers, whatever) you return it to them.

Yeah, yeah, it's the Navy and all, but the point is for the squadrons to get their mascot back eventually and NOT to have them end up as a doorstop in Oklahoma.

My ex-squadron's mascot got stolen when we were deployed to the 'Deid last year for OIF. The mascot was a stuffed puffin which had been given to our squadron by some Canadians during World War 2. See, my squadron was one of the Eagle Squadrons -- 133 Sq to be exact -- which I'm sure you know was made up of US pilots who turned in their commissions so they could go fly for the RAF following the Battle Of Britain.

Anyway, the puffin has been with the squadron a LONG time, and the bird has been logging combat time in fighters since Vietnam (that's when his little logbook got started -- who knows if he ever had any time in Spits or Mustangs that we never knew about). This little guy was also a Desert Storm vet, and every 2-word Op deployment vet in the decade between ODS and OIF (except Allied Force, which my squadron missed out on).

So, when our puffin was stolen at Al Udeid, it wasn't a big surprise. However, we expected to get a ransom note with a demand shortly there after. We expected something outrageous, too...a couple cases of Jack, or something else equally unobtainable in the CENTCOM AOR. But, that ransom note never came.

Eventually, one of the senior members of the leadership at the Deid made a trip to Al Dhafra for whatever reason, he saw our puffin there (don't know precisely if it was in a squadron or what). Apparently when a -10 squadron had left the Deid for Dhafra, they'd decided to take our bird as a souvenir. The puffin had been mis-treated -- his head was nearly broken off, and the cape which had a bumber of patches, pins, and signatures was missing. Oh, and they also never had any intention of giving it back, either.

So, the puffin was returned to us with the help of some Wing-Commander level intervention. But, this historically-significant artifact, which could very well have flown bona-fide combat with guys like Robbie Risner and the like, was damaged significantly.

All of this would have been averted if these tanker pogues would have just followed the "accepted" ROE.


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Very nice ones guys!

I have a few of my own, but I'll post them one at the time.

First, we start with was used to be the mighty RCN.

A friend of ours was a pilot in a utility squadron, flying Avengers, Trackers, T-33s and the such. One day, he was practicing rocket and gunnery practice over some range in Nova Scotia and the procedure called for a combat turn towards the target, half a roll, weapons hot and then firing them.

Well our friend decided that he was a better pilot than that and armed his weapons before being in front of the target. So he rolled the big Avenger into position, but as he was doing so, a rocket fired away for some obscure reasons. The rocket had a concrete tip.

This story would be pretty lame, but it happened that an old man was watching the aircrafts dive bombing from his nearby house, with his horse attached next to it. The rocket flew right through the horse! Imagine the peaceful old man smoking his pipe in his rocking chair and that rocket out of hell comes screaming in the horse!

Our friend had to buy the man another horse!!

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Hacker,

Ransom notes were sent, on many occasion. Always accompanied by the obligitory embarrassing photos. We never heard a word out of the navy. I forgot to include that in the story.

You are right though, the ROE was violated. When the duck was taken, there was no intention of taking it back to them. Although I don't recall it ever a concious thought, we figured at some point that they would come get it, along with one of our souveniers. That's what had happened in the past. But, over time ,as the fun went out of it, the duck just ended up on the bar in the squadron and was kind of forgotten. You're right that it shouldn't be sitting in Oklahoma though. Maybe it can be arranged to send him back to Baharain sometime.

I'm not trying to justify violating the rules, but I am 100% sure that the duck wasn't the historical artifact that yalls puffin is. The thing was basically new and short of my meeting with the Captain that day, we never heard anything else from the Navy. I'm sure that the history that I relay in the story is far more significant than anything that had happened to it before.

In the past, Nine times out of ten, taking some other squadrons stuff wouldn't result in anything but the same treatment from them. I know this personally from helping to take the 23rd FG commanders tiger striped golf cart from Pope back to Dyess in 95. When they came and got it back, they took the 39th AS covered wagon back to North Carolina with them.

I don't know how it is in TAC or ATC, but here in the MAC world all the old traditions are slowly going away. The "Coin Check" as sacred as it has always been is nearly an unknown event anymore. The Friday muster at the squadron bar is pretty much a thing of the past. In the Herk world, we used to have the "Trash Haulers Ball" every year. It hasn't happened in a long time now. Other than the occasional after airshow party, I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a good carrier landing and the last time I saw anybody get an arm broken playing CRUD was in 2000.

Political correctness has killed nearly all the fun.

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Brad, your right it has all gone to hell in the last five years... PC stinks.... it all started when we let ***** into aviation field and now everyone is afraid to do or say anything... and whoever stole our 6 foot tall Jolly Green Giant will find an early grave if we know who they are... he has pieces missing from viet nam... oh by the way i still play pink floyd over the intercomm every morning when i get in... that's pink floyd from the 60's by the way.. they all hate it but can't do anything to me now..these new kids have no idea how to make this the best job in the world..... i miss flying over my house at 500' at 2400 hours on NVG's and turning on the landing lights (in the herk they point down most of the time) and letting my wife and a lot of other folks know i'll be home in a hour or so... oh by the way you figure out what ***** is... in five years if you haven't figured it out i'll tell you when i'm collecting my retirement....


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Here's another one for you guys :

Another of my father's friend, who used to be a navigator in 404 Sqn. Lancs after the war, got back in the Reserve in the late 60's, early 70's.

Squadron was 438, flying Otters out of St-Hubert, near Montréal.

So in October 1970 comes the October Crisis in Québec. CO orders all crew to wear side arms. They go to Ottawa to fetch somebody, and while they are watiing in the aircraft, which itself is in the hangar, the pilot says to my friend (he was the copilot) : "I'm gonna check my gun to see if it's OK."

So he pulls it out of his holster, chambers a round and as a puts in back in the holster, it fires, going through the floor and cutting the elevator cable!!

They had to get another Otter from Montréal to pick them up!!

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Well we all have a mascot story, here is mine.

I spent a few years in the USMC as a Huey Crew chief. As customary before a Westpac we would attach to a CH-46 squadron and spend a few months as a composite squadron.

The squadron in the hangar next to us had an Elk head as their mascot. It hung in the ready room upstairs and was present at most functions. This squadron soon after we arrived deployed to 29Palms for a CAX (Combined Arms Exercise) Our NCOIC, we will call him “Hugh”, noticed that the Elk was left behind in the ready room with a small “Rear Party.” Hugh concocted a plan to steal the Elk. Hugh called the squadron ready room one Saturday evening about 6:00pm. He convinced the Lance Corporal on “phone watch” that he was the CO and he was sending his brother over to pick up the Elk. Hugh arrived a short time later in the squadrons white government van. He went up to the ready room and even convinced the Lance Corporal to bubble wrap and help load the mascot into the van.

The photos where taken immediately, showing the elk with guns to its head and on various flights around the area. Even photos of the Elk at the beach were sent to the CO in 29 Palms. We heard through the grapevine the story of a Lance Corporal standing tall in front of “The Man” getting grilled on what he looked like and where he thought the Elk went. I guess they figured it out, a few weeks later Hugh was called into the Sgt Majors office and was told to give back the Elk. We loaded it onto a flat bed trailer, put rags over our mouths and drove into their hanger. He honked the horn and quickly unloaded it. We piled back onto the trailer as the tug driver sped away.


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A story I heard from my father years ago involved a impromtu chaff dispenser used on an A-3. This was not a personal story but a squadron story so details might be a little sketchy.

An EA-3B Skywarrior crew on deployment to Southeast Asia decided it wanted a little SAM protection. Lacking formal chaff dispensers the crew "found" some of the chaff packets/charges that would normally be fitted to a chaff dispenser and and opened them. Bunding the resulting mess in some manner they crammed the package in the air brake compartment and closed the airbrake, repeating the procedure for the other side. When one of the air brakes was opened in flight the air stream would disperse the package into a huge chaff cloud. Obviously this could only be done twice and the pilot would need to compensate for the asymetrical opening of the air brakes.

I found it to be an interest and ingenious solution. As anybody heard this before or know of its accuracy. Also, does anybody know of similar attempts?

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