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For Sale--C47A-- Serial # 44-77272

Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:41 pm

Price 85k ready to ferry
One piece windshield
New glass left and right side of cabin
Elevators and Ailerons with fresh cover but not installed.
1st engine-150 hrs
2nd engine- 1150 hrs
Both props about 150 hrs--AD is due on the props but not done-Will do for
$1800.00 per prop.
KX175 Radio
KX165 Radio
All paint stripped
Wing pull completed
Gill liner in poor condition
Registered in the USA but not yet certificated.
Bill says this is a French Aircraft that was used by the United Nations.



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Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:33 am

Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie

Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:00 am

Ben,

I believe that I have been to the airplane's location.

Is this place, WEST of the place where you and I met a couple of years back?

[I don't want to reveal the location, since you have not done so]


Saludos,


Tulio

Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:35 am

Robbie Roberts wrote:Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie


Good catch. Thephotosare from Bill. I guess he just got them mixed up.
With egg on my face i apologise.

Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:38 am

Tulio wrote:Ben,

I believe that I have been to the airplane's location.

Is this place, WEST of the place where you and I met a couple of years back?

[I don't want to reveal the location, since you have not done so]


Saludos,


Tulio


No problem on the location at all. Nothing to hide. Located at Rantoul Ks.

Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:03 am

Cool.


Yup, the guy had at AT-11 inside the hangar, the last time I was there; he told me that the Kansan was going to someone in California.


I did not shoot any pictures though.


Saludos,


Tulio

Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:06 am

Robbie Roberts wrote:Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie


Its a tatical decision to throw off our enemies. We take photos like these and allow them to slip into enemiy hands, To make them think we have double the aircraft, some with round windows, and some with sqaure!

It worked so well the TSA is requiring the aircraft have N - Numbers since the aircraft is different inside from the outside appearance!!!!!

Hope they didnt catch you taking these photos either, they might have shot you for safety of flight concerns!

J/K

Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:08 pm

Versatile wrote:
Robbie Roberts wrote:Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie


Good catch. Thephotosare from Bill. I guess he just got them mixed up.
With egg on my face i apologise.


Wiping the egg off!
Bill says they are round on the inside and square on the outside because the airliner companies wanted them that way. Something to do with the C54 having square ones.

Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:55 pm

Versatile wrote:
Versatile wrote:
Robbie Roberts wrote:Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie


Good catch. Thephotosare from Bill. I guess he just got them mixed up.
With egg on my face i apologise.


Wiping the egg off!
Bill says they are round on the inside and square on the outside because the airliner companies wanted them that way. Something to do with the C54 having square ones.


I'd buy that, except for the fact that in the bottom picture, you can see through the lower corners of the pics! Also, it can clearly be seen the round windows are in square holes formed by the stringers and formers, but are through the skins...

I think Bill is pulling your leg... ;)

Robbie

Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:52 am

Versatile wrote:
Tulio wrote:Ben,

No problem on the location at all. Nothing to hide. Located at Rantoul Ks.


I live in Wichita, I've always wondered what is at Rantoul at Dodson Aviation. Any way to get a look around Dodson?

Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:27 am

You can see stuff from the road. Other than that i have no idea.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:31 am

Versatile wrote:
Versatile wrote:
Robbie Roberts wrote:Looks great, unfortunately I can't afford it, but I had to ask- why does it have square C-47 windows in the outside photos, but round DC-3 windows on the inside?

Where is she located?

Thanks!
Robbie


Good catch. The photos are from Bill. I guess he just got them mixed up.
With egg on my face i apologise.


Wiping the egg off!
Bill says they are round on the inside and square on the outside because the airliner companies wanted them that way. Something to do with the C54 having square ones.


Whatever the reason. The AC pictures are of the same aircraft inside and out and at Rantoul,Ks.

Re: For Sale--C47A-- Serial # 44-77272

Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:27 am

Time to start wearing the egg again, I'm afraid... Look at the cockpit clearly visible in the interior cabin shot below. Same one which is in the cockpit shot in the middle...
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Now look at the 4 engine throttle setup & fire handles in the wide cockpit seen in the photo. This is a C-54 cockpit: C-47 has only the two engines... And the cockpit is a good deal narrower as seen here:

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Also, I don't believe the C-47 has the out of line window visible at the right aft part of the photo.

Not to belabor the point, but he did in fact mix up the pictures. They are not from the same aircraft!

Nice looking bird in any case ;)

Robbie

Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:00 pm

How about looking about it like this. You are a good eye for pictures. Bill may have mixed up a photo or two. SO what! Bill Dempsay has a very good name in the AC world. Look all you want and say what you want. Just send the check. I like eggs and a little on my face will get licked off eventually.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:09 am

BHawthorne wrote:
Versatile wrote:
Tulio wrote:Ben,

No problem on the location at all. Nothing to hide. Located at Rantoul Ks.


I live in Wichita, I've always wondered what is at Rantoul at Dodson Aviation. Any way to get a look around Dodson?


Thanks to the good offices of Steve Dennis [The aviation-article-non-writer] I managed to visit Dodson a few years ago.

Of course, across the road from Dodson, you find the other neat stuff : )


Saludos,


Tulio
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