Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Wed May 07, 2025 3:27 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 43 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 7802
... it was accepted and used in some way during WWII or Korea? Success or failure?

Per Wiki: "The Hughes XF-11 was a prototype military reconnaissance aircraft designed and flown by Howard Hughes and built by Hughes Aircraft for the United States Army Air Forces. Although 100 F-11s were ordered in 1943, only two prototypes and a mockup were completed. During the first XF-11 flight in 1946, piloted by Hughes himself, the aircraft crashed in Beverly Hills, California. The production aircraft had been canceled in May 1945, but the second prototype was completed and successfully flown in 1947. The program was extremely controversial from the beginning, leading the U.S. Senate to investigate the XF-11 and the Hughes H-4 Hercules flying boat in 1947–1948."
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_XF-11

Photos Link: https://d.library.unlv.edu/digital/sear ... ort/page/1

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
Howard Hughes sitting in the cockpit of the XF-11 preparing for his first test flight in Culver City, California July 7, 1947.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
The second XF-11 plane prior to take-off, April 4, 1947.

_________________
“Knowing what’s right, doesn’t mean much unless you do what’s right.”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:53 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:57 pm
Posts: 1263
Location: Lacombe, Alberta, Canada
Mark - please don't post any pictures of it's demise. Though not a fan of the contra-prop version, I always thought this version of it was just about the sexiest airplane ever built, and I'd have killed for a chance to fly it.

_________________
Defending Stearmans on WIX since Jeff started badmouthing them back in 2005.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:11 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!

Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:43 pm
Posts: 1175
Location: Marietta, GA
Awesome airplane, but if the spec's are correct it was virtually obsolete by the time it broke ground. Generation 1 jets would have been all over it at 42K' and 450mph, which are the service ceiling and top speed listed for the aircraft.

On the other hand, it sure had a lot of wing, pressurization, and big 'ol turbocharged engines. Was the service ceiling really only 42K'? Given that the B-36 (albeit with jet pods) got well into the 50K' range, I'm surprised the XF-11 didn't have a bit more altitude capability.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:20 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 7802
Seems like you could have added jet engines to it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:33 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:27 am
Posts: 5595
Location: Eastern Washington
Kyleb wrote:
Awesome airplane, but if the spec's are correct it was virtually obsolete by the time it broke ground. Generation 1 jets would have been all over it at 42K' and 450mph, which are the service ceiling and top speed listed for the aircraft.


Obsolete?
Not necessarily.
It was a reconnaissance aircraft (remember, the "F" stood for "Foto" not the post '47 "Fighter") which, by their very nature, need long range.
Something all early jets were short of.
There was a reason the USAF used RB-45s.
Range was more important than fighter-like speed.

_________________
Remember the vets, the wonderful planes they flew and their sacrifices for a future many of them did not live to see.
Note political free signature.
I figure if you wanted my opinion on items unrelated to this forum, you'd ask for it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:48 pm 
Offline
KiwiZac
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:33 am
Posts: 1463
Location: Blenheim, NZ
Thank you for sharing these, I'd only seen a third of them before.

Dan Jones wrote:
Though not a fan of the contra-prop version, I always thought this version of it was just about the sexiest airplane ever built, and I'd have killed for a chance to fly it.

I was about to say similar - such an achingly beautiful aeroplane. The CG and model versions used for The Aviator were real highlights of that movie for me and made me want to see a 1/1 version for real.

_________________
Zac in NZ
#avgeek, modelbuilder, photographer, writer. Callsign: "HANDBAG".
https://linktr.ee/zacyates

"It's his plane, he spent the money to restore it, he can do with it what he wants. I will never understand what's hard to comprehend about this." - kalamazookid, 20/08/2013
"The more time you spend around warbirds the sooner you learn nothing, is simple." - JohnB, 24/02/22


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:45 am 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:02 am
Posts: 4695
Location: Yucca Valley, CA
Thanks Mark! Note the A-20 that shows up in the background of a couple shots, and (I think) Hughes's B-23 on the right edge of the fifth photo.

_________________
Image
All right, Mister Dorfmann, start pullin'!
Pilot: "Flap switch works hard in down position."
Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:11 am 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:23 pm
Posts: 2343
Location: Atlanta, GA
The Plexiglas work was impressive for the era. Wow.

_________________
"Take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:07 am 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:27 am
Posts: 5595
Location: Eastern Washington
Chris Brame wrote:
Thanks Mark! Note the A-20 that shows up in the background of a couple shots, and (I think) Hughes's B-23 on the right edge of the fifth photo.



And his A-20 to the left of the 13th...the shot with the close-up of the canopy.

_________________
Remember the vets, the wonderful planes they flew and their sacrifices for a future many of them did not live to see.
Note political free signature.
I figure if you wanted my opinion on items unrelated to this forum, you'd ask for it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm
Posts: 427
On that same photo (no.13) there is another twin parked in front of a building, just right of the A-26 with the DC-3 behind it. Is that another A-20? I cannot figure out what it could be.

_________________
A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:23 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!

Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:43 pm
Posts: 1175
Location: Marietta, GA
JohnB wrote:
Kyleb wrote:
Awesome airplane, but if the spec's are correct it was virtually obsolete by the time it broke ground. Generation 1 jets would have been all over it at 42K' and 450mph, which are the service ceiling and top speed listed for the aircraft.


Obsolete?
Not necessarily.
It was a reconnaissance aircraft (remember, the "F" stood for "Foto" not the post '47 "Fighter") which, by their very nature, need long range.
Something all early jets were short of.
There was a reason the USAF used RB-45s.
Range was more important than fighter-like speed.


Obsolete because it was a recon platform that had zero performance margin over the day’s interceptors. It was 100 mph slower even with the recips at max power (think about the reliability of 4360’s running at full throttle for a couple of hours), and didn’t have an advantage in altitude. With a long range overflight asset, it needs to fly higher or faster than the day’s fighters to be survivable.


Last edited by Kyleb on Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:35 am 
Offline
Been here a long time
Been here a long time

Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am
Posts: 11319
Golly that is a sexy looking aeroplane! :heart:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:59 pm
Posts: 837
Location: Redmond,Oregon
The interior was surprisingly roomy. This is from the Hughes XF-11 Flight Manual book. It does show that it was drawn by L G Halls in 1970.


Image6E503075-21AA-4083-891A-DAAA6DDA2049 by tanker622001, on Flickr


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm
Posts: 427
There is more room inside of that pod than I thought, but I am still wondering how much variation in camera equipment was possible. There is not a lot of extra room in that nose cone.

_________________
A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:41 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 7802
Different props.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

_________________
“Knowing what’s right, doesn’t mean much unless you do what’s right.”


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 43 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 328 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group