Looking for details regarding the 1995 crash of T-28...

T J Johansen · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:51 pm

N28TP in Colorado.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id= ... 278&rpt=fa

T J

vg-photo · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:11 pm

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_i ... 3928&key=1

Quote:

THE AIRCREW ALLOWED THE AIRPLANE'S DESIGN STRESS LIMITS TO BE EXCEEDED.

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:28 pm

My friend Jim bought Breit's P-51 from his estate.

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:13 pm

Jack, can you give any photos or more details of the P-51, and where and who it is with now. I don't remember him having a 51, but he may have gotten it after I was there with them. Do you know if it was flyable or if John ever flew it?

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:29 pm

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51registry/p51-4473275.html
Don't know if he flew it but I've been in it quite a few times.
It's a nice a/c................. :!:

My photo BTW from the B-25J

Jollygreenslugg · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:12 pm

Nice Mustang. Pity the top of the fuse isn't bright gloss blue like it should be.

(Runs away giggling!!!)

corsair166b · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:15 am

As Bill Greenwood knows, two great guys, John Breit and Red Williams were killed in the accident....I have some pics of the wreck somewhere, they brought it up here to Greeley afterwards. and it was a mangled mess...I had worked on John's T-28 helping to repaint the wheel wells...a very sad loss and I day I will not forget.....I always cringe when I hear of an aviation accident, doubly so when it's in my home state....it might be someone I know.

John also owned the former Eric Clifford Beech 18/C-45 and had a Mk. 18 Spitfire that pilot John Diehl died in on the way up to an airshow in Canada....John was also a friend. The Mustang was co-owned by Dave Domenico at the time and John. Beautiful bird.

Mark

T J Johansen · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:53 am

The reason I asked is that when I seached the net for Breit I found this piece which looks like it is from a website that turns out to be a textbook example of a strange phenomena you Americans seem to love, the conspiracy theory...

Conspiracy theory??? wrote:

Tim White wrote:

Mike,

I'm darn glad that I didn't delete this because I initially thought it was yet more "identification SPAM" that keeps on showing up-mostly in my bulk mail.I get a lot of it within minutes of my posting very sensitive or very controversial stuff.A lot of "Nigerian Scam" crap that I'm convinced is CIA sugar. This is GREAT info that I would like to post but I want your permission-I will delete your addy and name.I know of the Marana operation and the C-130 deal that happened before Desert Shield.I wonder if you have looked up the lawsuit filed by Gary R Eitel,detailing this along with a CIA "asset" named Joe Kelso-tied in with Heinrich Rupp.I have met both of these dudes here in Denver-Kelso is a hitman,Rupp is a Paperclip importee,details later.Do you know the names-Daryl Skurich,Tom Mars,or RED DOG-NSA/Air Force Lt Gen Otis Johnson? Skurich is one of the top pilots for Del Smith("owner" of Evergreen),he was involved in the C-130 deal that grabbed what,45 planes,out of Davis Monthan boneyard. Skurich and his brother Mick(I did work in Micks' 2 mil home back in '94,that's how I know about Daryl) tried to set me up to get wacked in Dec,2000-same time frame as the "Texas 7 escapees"that ende up here west of Colorado Springs-LOTS more details on this I could give you.In fact,I have lots to share with you that may connect dots that you have. Not surprised about Hughes/Enron since I knew that Robert Maheu was just a CIA thug. Circles within circles,huh? I know that Evergreen-just by gut-was involved in doing the mods to the aircraft used for the 9/11 op,but not just them.Daryl Skurich owns a company at the Ft Collins airport,VINTAGE AIRCRAFT,that rebuilds WWII aircraft-fighters primarily.He was the one that flew the B-29 out of China Lake that became FIFI,owned by the CONFEDERATE AIR FORCE-mostly spooks I understand.He is also the one responsible for the SPRUCE GOOSE being dismantled and barged up to McMinnville and supervised its' set up there.I also strongly suspect Daryl Skurich for his role in the murder of a very prominent Denver attorney-John Breit,a customer of mine at the time of his death,a "crash" of a Skurich refurbished T-28 east of Colorado Springs,a town FULL of spooks but then,so is Denver.The info about Breit is what a lot of people are VERY nervous about.I went to the FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation with it plus contacted one of Breits' former law office colleagues who basically confirmed that it was a CIA hit when he told me he had several anonymous calls about the way Breit died-he's scared and doesn't want to do anything-same for the FBI and CBI. More later when I hear back from you.

BE SAFE!!!

Tim White ,Viet Nam Vet/Concerned Citizen

So I wonder, is this something which has been claimed loudly, or hasn't this been discussed earlier?

T J

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:56 am

Here's the P-51. Me in back

cozmo · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:36 am

T J Johansen wrote:

So I wonder, is this something which has been claimed loudly, or hasn't this been discussed earlier?

T J

Its the first I heard of it. And while I don't know about the T-28, I know a little more than a "bit" about the "Texas Seven". To put them together with "9-11", or any other wacko conspiracy, would take a monumental amount of suspension of disbelief.

The guy sounds like a total nutball.

Though the part about the CAF being a bunch of spooks...

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:15 am

It sounds nuts, mostly a lot of name dropping. I don't think Darrel Skurich was doing the maintenance on John's T-28; he had his own people. Red likely worked on it or advlsed, and even if Vintage had done the restoration, I don't think the accident occurred on the first flight after the restoration.

At least the guy signs his name, if that is really it.

:!: MOD Edit...Really...You just can't leave the political wise cracks out can you??? ... Zane :!:

corsair166b · **Posted:** Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:51 pm

Bill, John's guy for working on the plane was a guy named Stan Mousel, you probably remember him....glasses, suspenders, handlebar mustache....for a while he had a guy named Dean something, hired him away from the Chino gang to work for him on his increasing fleet of planes before the accident....I know John had VISITED Skurich's place in Ft. Collins...who in Colorado has'nt at one time who is involved in Warbirds...but I never heard of the plane being worked on by Skurich. I do know that a few years before the accident he had the plane spiced up with a Darton clean kit and some other mods wherever they were doing that work at that time (Florida?) and John was jazzed to get the bird back....all I remember after the accident is that a NOTAM or IRAN or whatever they send out after an accident with any plane type WAS sent out warning the T-28 community to inspect the tail sections of all T-28's and that if the plane was to be used for aerobatics, the tail section MAY require some mods to put the tail section up to snuff for that kind of flying. The stuff about the CIA and Skurich sounds like a bunch of hooey to me.

Mark

jrgogol · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:37 pm

Interesting, I just googled this accident and up came your comments from 8 years ago. I am the last owner of all the broken bits and pieces. I keep a piece on the wall by my shop door. We just loaded one of the landing gears in my truck this afternoon. I told my neighbor about the accident and now he is thinking twice about a ride. I have been around warbirds since the early 70's, it sure has killed a lot of people, makes me think twice. On the wreck parts, the only time I use them is after inspection. The horizontal stabilizers are weak, the Navy put restrictions on the G's, the Air Force upgraded them. I am doing the upgrade and will never do low altitude aerobatics, I have seen too many bad parts during this restoration, all it takes is one.

John Gogol
T28A.com

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