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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:41 pm 
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I have really been enjoying the "Catch-22" thread and it got me thinking...

Are there any WIX'ers out there who were involved in the flying scenes for the film, "Tora, Tora, Tora"?

Anybody know anyone who might be interested in enlightening us?
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Found these, thought they may be of interest:

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General Taylor with Great Grandpa Talmage - Tora Tora Filming Hawaii


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In this undated photo provided by John Martin Meek, Col. Kenneth Taylor, right, is shown with film director Richard Fleischer on the set of "Tora! Tora! Tora!" Taylor, one of the first two American pilots to get their planes airborne as Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor in Hawaii on Dec. 7, 1941, served as a consultant on the movie. Taylor died Saturday, Nov. 25, 2006, after more than a year of declining health in Tucson, Ariz. (AP Photo/Courtesy of John Martin Meek)


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From the Yorktown Cruisebook

The Yorktown played host to a crew from 20th Century Fox for the filming of the movie Tora Tora Tora. Action took place off the coast of San Diego in early December.

At 0600 the aircraft carrier swung smartly into the northeasternly wind. Across the flight deck the engines of the bomb and torpedo laden "Zekes", "Kates" and "Vals" roared to life in anticipation of the dawn launch. At 0610 the first "Zeke" rumbled down the flight deck, became airborne and then briefly settled for an agonizing moment over the dark waters of the Pacific, steadied and gained altitude. The year was not 1941, but 1968. The aircraft carrier was not Admiral Yamamoto's flagship but Captain John G. Fifield's Yorktown. The 1968 converted aircraft were flown and maintained by off duty personnel on contract with 20th Century Fox, with Department of Defense approval given to the ship's participation.

The film, essentially a documentary, has been in preparation since 1966, and is not expected to be released until 1969. The film is being produced both in Japan and the United States, with tedious attention given to detail. A budget of 25 million dollars has been allocated for the picture.

Thirty Japanese fighters and bombers were hoisted on the Yorktown December 2. The planes are United States BT-13 and AT-6 training planes altered by 20th Century Fox to resemble the Japanese planes that launched the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

Most of the flight deck crew, garbed in conventional World War Two Japanese flight gear, participated in maneuvering the Rising Sun bearers in position for the filmed take offs. Lines from the angle deck were painted over to make the "Fighting Lady" appear like the straight-decked Akagi.

After filming off San Diego, the planes remain onboard for the trip to Pearl Harbor to assist competing the movie in Hawaii.



http://www.yorktownsailor.com/yorktown/tora.htm


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Very nice pics!
I love the one of Taylor with the Zeroes coming in behind him!
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Awww man! Thats sick! :supz:
Now thats how you made a movie.

But if you wanted to remake that today,
(Only use CGI for the far background!) :wink:

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Found this great website and account on the filming

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The 20th Century Fox "Air Operations" production was located at Barbers Point Naval Air Station, in cooperation with the U.S. Navy. Operating from a plywood hut, the nearly fifty pilots of the "Tora" flying group were on "war routine." Test flown first in California, the aircraft operated almost continuously from mid-December, 1968, to late April, 1969, burning about 3000 gallons of fuel daily, and were put through combat conditions identical to those of World War II.

Being in a military family at the time, I had a access to all local island military bases because I had a military sticker on my car (a 1965 Volkswagen Beetle- the really COOL Car of it's day) with the rank of Colonel.

The gold "Full Bird" sticker always got me into all the Oahu bases and also very snappy salutes from the Marine sentries who guarded U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine bases. Barbers Point was no exception. It was a SPRAWLING and HUGE base that was a spring-board for many South Pacific Navy and Marine operations in WW-II, as well as for the Korean War- and at this time the rapidly expanding Vietnam War. It also served for lots of "Spook"

Operations involving Spy Satellites as well as for the U.S. Navy Anti-Submarine P-3 Orions. So, in fact the base was "stuffed" with hundreds of Navy and Marine prop and jet aircraft of all types when I was out there taking pictures. The once beautiful and busy base is just a "Ghost Town" today!

I was not invited by Fox to go out and take these pictures of the planes- I had to find out where they were located and make the request for permission to come out and see the planes. But the guy running the "Tora" Flight Ops was very friendly and could probably tell I was some kind of WW-II airplane history nut and said "Sure, come on out and take some pictures". Something like this "these days" would be nearly impossible (as was the case with "Pearl Harbor") as everything is now always tightly controlled by lawyers, publicity regulators and intense security.

In fact, while I had read in the papers that a movie company was coming out to the Islands to do a film about the attack on Pearl Harbor, the very FIRST time I knew something really interesting was happening was the day I was out at Bellows AFB Beach. Once a P-40 fighter base, by the late 1960's it had become mostly a "Rest and

Recreation" Center for military personnel and their families. Bellows was a beautiful beach and while there I had already gotten used to things like seeing Marine amphibious landings on the beach only a few hundred yards away

(The Marines were training EVERYWHERE at that time, and they still use Bellows today) and even seeing Marine Commandos (maybe SEALS?) paddling by off-shore with Boonie Hats, M-16's and blacked faces, etc.

But, on that particular afternoon, slowly climbing over the sound of my little SONY Transistor beach radio playing something like the Rolling Stone's "Hey, You, Get Off Of My Cloud" or the Door's "Come On Baby Light My Fire" was the increasing rumble of RADIAL ENGINES… What? I hadn't heard that kind of deep, multi-engine sound since I was a little kid living on Travis AFB in the 50's, when the Air Force was still then flying B-29 bombers! ...But coming across the beautiful Hawaii skies over the Lanikai "bird islands" was a squadron of… WHAT?...Japanese planes?!...They came closer and then roared past, maybe about 300 feet over Lanikai bay…


This was followed by ANOTHER squadron of Japanese planes roaring past! And then further out at sea I could see even another squadron of Japanese Zeros! To say, like "WOW MAN!, What The F*** is happening?" was a major understatement!

It GOT my attention!. And it didn't stop there. These guys started making nearly DAILY flights over Kaneohe Bay and Kailua… Each day, sometimes in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon, there would be fly-overs of plane after plane! And then we began seeing the P-40's and B-17's- that beautiful, rumbling of mult-radial engines, 4 per B-17 bomber, as they made passes overhead. It was like...well...WORLD WAR II!"


The "Tora" pilots were from both military and civilian backgrounds. More than half were off-duty or on-leave pilots from the Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps. Some were pilots on commercial airlines and others were in the charter business. Ages ranged from late twenties to mid-fifties. Many were combat veterans, and one pilot had been shot down in three wars -- World War II, Korea and Vietnam. For the pilots, it was more fun than work. They could legally "flat-hat" over deserted Ford Island; they were flying formation again, sweeping over the length of Oahu. It was seat of the pants flying where they could taste it and feel it.


http://www.december7.com/1941/Classic_M ... index.html

http://www.december7.com/1941/Classic_M ... page2.html

http://www.december7.com/1941/Classic_M ... page3.html


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Another new addition is North American B-25J Mitchell USAAF s/n 44-31504/N9753Z which was delivered on 14 June 1945. With the end of the war near, the aircraft went into storage but was overhauled as a TB-25J in 1951. The Royal Canadian Air Force acquired the machine and operated it as RCAF 5218 at the Advanced Flying School, Saskatoon. The RCAF disposed of the aircraft in February 1962.

The Mitchell, along with N9754Z, gravitated to Hawaii. The planes were used in the 1964 film In Harm's Way and N9754Z was heavily damaged when an apparently drunk pilot hit a building during a low-altitude buzz. He managed to make a safe landing. Over the years, the planes rotted away at the airport, but N9753Z was acquired by at technical school at Honolulu Airport. N9754Z was eventually mocked-up with a single tail and blown up during the filming of Tora! Tara! Tora! After the tech school was finished with the Mitchell, it became a gate guard at Hickam AFB where it remained until being recently moved to Ford Island for the new museum.

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NTSB Identification: OAK65F0069
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Friday, May 07, 1965 in HONOLULU, HI
Aircraft: NO.AMERICAN B25, registration: N9754Z
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FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA
F S M/N PURPOSE
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2-0271 65/5/7 HONOLULU HAWAII NO.AMERICAN B25 CR- 0 0 1 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, AGE 34, 3800
TIME - 0145 N9754Z PX- 0 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 200 IN TYPE,
DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL OT- 0 0 0 INSTRUMENT RATED.
TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION
COLLIDED WITH: WIRES/POLES IN FLIGHT: BUZZING
PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID OBJECTS OR OBSTRUCTIONS
MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - ALCOHOLIC IMPAIRMENT OF EFFICIENCY AND JUDGMENT
REMARKS- STRUCK POLE WHILE BUZZING CITY-INTENDED SUICIDE

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There is a Tora aircraft group on Yahoo Groups, but it never really took off. Perhasp if WIXers have enough interest this might change?

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I, in my lifetime would love to see myself, or somebody with the same artistic direction, get a chance to remake Tora, Tora for the world of today. Let me be clear though, I don’t want another (movie that won’t be named). I think we would all like to see the gritty and realistic camera shots that can be imagined and utilized with modern and advanced cameras. More authentic warbirds are flying today than ever before, and if organized, could create an affective squadron for filming.

I mean if I had the chance to contract a number of aircraft:

B-17E -FHC
B-17F(G) "Memphis Bell" -(Converted to resemble E model.)
B-17G "Piccadilly Lilly II" -(Converted to resemble D model w. new nose and aft fusalage sections.)

P-40C -FHC
P-40B -TFC
P-40C -New contract build for movie
P-40C -New contract build for movie

P-36 -New contract build by http://www.p-35.com/
P-26 -(Mayocraft example)
P-26 -POF
AT-11 -POF

FM-2 -POF (Converted to resemble F4F-3)
FM-2 -Tom Camp (Converted to resemble F4F-3)

SBD-5 -POF
SBD-3 -CAF

J2F -POF
PBY-5A -?
PBY-5A -?
Grumman Goose -?

A6M5 -POF
A6M3 -CAF
A6M3 -FHC
A6M2 -FAM

D3A2 -POF

Replica CAF: (Used for background and some foreground)

Zero AI-111 N4447
Zero AI-112 N9097
Zero AI-113 N15799
Zero AI-114 N15797
Zero AI-115 N11171
Zero AI-101 N60DJ
Zero VI-07 N7754
Kate AII-356 N3725G -(Repainted to resemble Vindicators)
Kate 310 N2047 -(Repainted to resemble Vindicators)
Kate EII-301 N6438D -(Repainted to resemble Vindicators)
Kate AI-313 N3242G - (Repainted to resemble Vindicators)
Kate AI-311 N7130C -(Repainted to resemble Vindicators)
Val BI-257 N67208
Val BI-211 N56867
Val 78 N56478
Val -POF

I believe like in the past 2 movies that have been about Pearl Harbor, this third would have to have more than few fiberglass mockups of P-40B/C's. Say 25. Not only, but I also believe that there'd have to be around 7 Full mockups of PBYs to blow up. :wink: And maybe 2 or 3 Kingfishers. Now of course for this to work Planes of Fame would need to sign one he!! of an contract.

Hmmmmmm, do ya think I missed anything to film an accurate movie? :wink:

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gary1954 wrote:
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After the tech school was finished with the Mitchell, it became a gate guard at Hickam AFB where it remained until being recently moved to Ford Island for the new museum.
I think that the old gate guardian B-25 went to Aero Trader and they returned a different (less corroded one) to the museum.


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Yes, B-18s: 36-446 rescued from its Hawaii crash site and 37-29 borrowed from the Castle museum.

B-24A AM927 from the CAF with a fiberglass mockup substituted for the explosion scene

A-20As: borrow some hulks from New Guinea (and forget to give 'em back :twisted: )

B-12s: Fiberglass copies from the NMUSAF's B-10 (I'm sure they wouldn't mind us borrowing it to make the molds?)

A-12 Shrike: Full scale replica built to donate to the NMUSAF (to calm them down after they catch us borrowing the B-10)

(When you said AT-11, did you mean the POF AT-12? None of those in Hawaii - save it for the Clark Field movie...)

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Chris Brame wrote:
(When you said AT-11, did you mean the POF AT-12? None of those in Hawaii - save it for the Clark Field movie...)


I did, and not a bad idea. :wink:

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These slides from the movie were just posted on ebay by seller douglas_rarities . It's a little strange to see the Vals overflying the present day memorial.

Doug 8)

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Here's a link for twelve photos from the Life magazine archive:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tora&q=source%3Alife

I like that shot of the tugboat pulling the back half of the Nevada!

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I've had this link to Tora3 for a while, but it took me a bit to locate it since I got a new computer:

http://www.yorktownsailor.com/yorktown/tora.htm

Love to find one of those patches!
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