Warbird Information Exchange

What gem will we see arriving next?

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Maybe that's where the Beijing P-61 went.....

A good question, everyone was surprised when he bought the Mig-29 from John Sessions then it did a Nixon and vanished, any one know where the -29 went to?

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The MiG is still at PAE... It was out taxing around the field last month. It seems that they bring her out and fire her up at least every three to four months, and the sighting last month was the third time this year I saw it moving under her own power. Not too sure where they are keeping her, though!

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My $'s on a Stuka, somehow...haha. Maybe the same could be said for Mr. Yagen too...

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P-38 at Westpac, perhaps?

I'm really looking forward to seeing their P-38 when it is completed at Westpac, and I'm also looking forward to seeing the outcome of the work being done to bring their F6F Hellcat up to flight status. Still a bit of time to go before the new hangar addition is completed.

I just wish they'd take a nice, sunny Saturday and spend a couple hours doing touch and goes with it @ KPAE just for the benefit of S.O.C. and the folks in Mukilteo
(ain't I a stinker??)

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projects that can be certain/reasonably expected to show up at FHC:

F6F & P-38L seem pretty likely to show up soon (year or two).

B-17E, DH.98 & He-111, maybe the next 5 years?

Who knows with the Me262 and the Nam jets. FW-189, haha.

REALLY, curious to hear if Ju-88/87 Me-110 will ever show. Maybe he's grab a B-26/A-20 in PNG on his way back with the P-61.

morning conjecture BS.

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Doesn't FHC have a P-39 at Wangaretta? Or is that Yagen's collection?

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Matt

That would be Yagen's P-39 at Precision.

Speaking of FHC, I wonder what the state/status is of their F-84G and F-86A? Both would be rare sights to see flying. Their (combat vet) FG-1D seems to have just sorta vanished from the scene a while back.

C'mon Inspector, that horse is now cross-striped from how many times you've flogged it! You should understand that we who live in Mukilteo love occasionalal airplane noise, so long as it's developmental, warbirds or general aviation. A load of us work at Boeing, so we all want to see that company and others at Paine Field succeed. What we DON'T want, though, is a constant stream of heavies taking off and landing, spewing fuel, pollution and noise, strip joints and no tell motels along airport road, or any of the things you see at SeaTac on Int'l Blvd. There is a document--The Mediated Role Agreement--that was put in place before they ever developed the Harbour Pointe area, that limited the airport to high tech, general aviation, currently existing businesses (e.g., Boeing, Traamco, etc.), and it was one of the documents people review before buying a home around here. It says there will be no large scale commercial aviation development. That agreement is being stomped on by those who are pushing commerical aviation, which is illegal and wrong. Yet developers with money are behind it and are pushing forward, to the extent that the FAA has been bought and paid for and has recently issued a go-ahead for commercial development without an environment impact statment among other transgressions. Can you beleive it?! "Go ahead and develop a large scale commercial airport operation and oh, by the way,

NO EIS OR REMEDIATION TO LOCAL HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES NEEDED.

Seem a little odd to you, big guy? Gee, I wonder how that happened?

That is CLASS A bullshirt! So SOC and others work to stop it. You'd do the same if you bought a home or business because you were informed that the airport wouldn't develop beyond a certain point--by a legal document, no less--yet over the years have watched as: all the trees that blocked the noise and view were cut down, the runway was moved to make it CAT III (if I recall correctly) capable, a new fire station to handle large scale air operations was built, etc. etc. etc., all with my (our) taxpayer dollars, all the while the lying politicians and airport authority were saying, "oh no, we're not developing a large scale commercial airport operation". Liars and lawbreakers, one and all. Here's my suggestion for you. Take a flight to Midway Airport in Chicago on SWA. Enjoy the "carrier landing" where your approach drops within a couple hundred feet of homes, schools etc. Then, as you drive out, pull over by the last houses you saw on landing and watch just how low, noisy and smelly those jets are from that vantage point. THAT'S what we don't want. As one who grew up under the approach path of O'Hare, I can tell you that you haven't lived until you've listened to that bullshirt all day long, stopping talking every minute or so until the next screamer flys over and lands. Hey, if you want that kind of crap in your life, be my guest. But I sure as he11 don't and intend to be one who fights it tooth and nail till the end. And trust me, the development suits and lawyers haven't even begun to spend money compared to what they're going to need to push commercial aviation into this area.

So please, Inspector, get informed and get off ragging on people in Mukilteo. We're same as you, aviation fanatics, except we signed agreements to a certain quality of life, which we expect to have honored and maintained. The only difference is we have a dog in the fight, and other than mouthing off about it, you don't.

--Tom

My first response question is always 'were you aware that you were going to live near an active airport?' if your answer is 'yes' then I suggest you go in the bathroom and yell at the fool you see in the mirror, and you can do that as you head out to find that G@$ D213w4 Realtor who suckered you into buying the house. When the airport was built, Mukilteo was a handful of quaint little cottages, now it wants to be Everett's Bellevue. If the state moves the ferry dock elsewhere Mukilteo will dry up and blow away or revert to Smallville. And, up until I retired, I lived less than 5 minutes away from KPAE on three different sides of it for over 17 years, currently I live under the East side pattern for NAS Whidbey, and right now I've got two EA-18's playing overhead so it's obvious airplane noise doesn't bother me at all. Who are you going to sue when an earthquake makes your house slide down the hill into the Sound?
Can't handle the noise? sell and move to Stevens County North of Spokane, the airport isn't going anywhere so live with it or go get boxes from the liquor store because as far as I'm concerned it's self inflicted and in my dictionary SYMPATHY is between S--T and TOUGH.

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Let me take your response one item at a time.

First, I've been here half my life, so I too recall Mukilteo as a tiny little burg. I loved it then, still do, in fact. I live here BECAUSE it's an active airport. Note I said "active", not commercial. I would not not have bought here knowing it would be developed commercially. You'd have to be an idiot, or love commercial jets, to do that. And as I mentioned, there is a document called the "Mediated Role Agreement" that stated, in effect, "this airport will not be developed commercially". So I believed in that legal document knowing I would get my normal healthy fix of airplane noise, and not have commercial airliners flying in and out continuously. So, NO, I do not need to yell at myself in the mirror, and no realtor "suckered" anybody. I am not a victim, and I abhore the victim mentality. I actually picked out a location that was off to the side of the airport, not directly off runways 34L-16R. It was a GREAT move, as I'm right under the warbird pattern, so get fantastic views of HFF and FHC warbirds and great general aviation airplanes and helicopters all the time.

RE: moving the ferry dock.

Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other. Mukilteo won't "blow away". It'll simply revert back to its wonderful little town feel without tourists and Whidbey Island blow-throughs. The town is extra cool--in part--because of the ferry. But if "they" (whoever "they" are) want to move the ferry, it's okay with me. I'll still be able to watch the ferries come and go from the beach, if that's what I'm in the mood to go and do.

RE: EA-18's playing overhead...

Very cool Inspector! You are fortunate there, and I'm willing to bet you knew going in that the fighters would be flying right overhead. So, good planning on your part. Being former Navy I too love the sound of freedom, and it's always a joy when the Whidby Island boys come to play at Paine Field. The good news for us is that they then go back to NAS Whidbey. I would not have moved here had Paine Field been a full-bore Navy base, as after four years of constant fighters and attack birds working the pattern over the barracks at NAS Oceana where I was based, it did seem a lot like a commercial field and no matter how much I dig fighter jet noise, to me, it is a poor choice for locating a home.

RE: Who are you going to sue when an earthquake makes your house slide down the hill into the Sound?

Uh, actually, no one because: A) I'm not the sueing type; B) my home is miles from the Sound; and C) I'm not a "victim", so I take full responsibility for where I selected my home. Plus I have earthquake insurance, so I'm covered anyway.

RE: Can't handle the noise? sell and move to Stevens County North of Spokane, the airport isn't going anywhere so live with it or go get boxes from the liquor store because as far as I'm concerned it's self inflicted and in my dictionary SYMPATHY is between S--T and TOUGH.

Whoee...a tad grumpy, aren't we?! Actually, as I mentioned in line one of my first missive, I LOVE airplane noise. That is why I live near Paine Field...because I've noticed that wherever I hear airplane noise, I find--wait for it... --AIRPLANES! YEEEEHAAAAWWWW! I love the damnned things! Even big commercial suckers like they make at the Lazy B! However, I bought into the "best of both worlds" thing. That is, a job working building commercial airplanes, at a field chock full of warbirds and general aviation, right under the general aviation pattern for runway 34L-16R! And I got me a gen-u-eeiiiine legal document called the "Mediated Role Agreement" that says
"this airport will not be developed commercially".

Now, let me repeat that part: I got me a gen-u-eeiiiine legal document called the "Mediated Role Agreement" that says
"this airport will not be developed commercially".

Now what part of that don't you understand? It's a legal beagle type real live honest to goodness bone-eeee-fide gummint document. Now is that some good shix or what?! I got me an airplane job with wonderful moderaltely noisy and not too polluting airplanes flying all over the dang place, in a small town atmosphere with a ferry and a lighthouse, no less! Is that some great planning or what???!!! Yet now some yahoos want to
OPENLY BREAK THE LAW AND END RUN THE AGREEMENTS.

By God son, that's flat-out un-American and me and a whole bunch are girdin' up to enforce the laws as they are written, regardless of what some yahoo developers and their boughten lawyers are trying to do to subvert that. I say, good luck to 'em, bring it on, but don't say we didn't tell ya so.

Seriously Inspector, you and I are often on the same page and I'm wondering what part of Mukilteo sticks in your craw, as it seems pretty clear that to me that, in my shoes, a dude like you wouldn't put up with this kind of crap either.

--Tom

Meanwhile back on topic...

My guess would be the FHC Mosquito will be No.3 flyer. Could be any amount of time from 2 years plus, depending on the usual factors + FHC's exclusive factor set.

Jerry Yagen told Dave Homewood's Wings over New Zealand Forum meet on Sunday that while he agrees a Stuka is important, it won't have the pull that, say, the Mosquito has - but then, in NZ, he reckons few things would have anyway. (my words, not his.) So I think a Yagen Stuka is unlikely at best.

Regards,

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