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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:10 pm 
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The status of the surviving MC-130E tail numbers are as follows: Right now 9 of the 14 surviving ones are still flying for now, with 3 more to be retired over the 3 months, that I know of. There were 18 aircraft modified for use as Combat Talons.

Link to the final flight of 64-0523, she departed Duke Field, FL on 22 June 2012 for her final resting spot at Cannon AFB, NM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDqI8fnnzM

As for the fact that a few have some pretty good history word is.......The chief historian at the AF Museum stated they do not have room for another C-130, no matter what the historical significance.

62-1843 (Which is actually AC 64-0506, Spare for Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt)
63-7785 (Which is actually AC 64-0507, Used for Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt) (AMARC)
64-0523 (Used in the Son Tai Raid, Static Display Cannon AFB, NM, Air Park)

64-0547 (Lost Dec 1967 Lai Chau Province)
64-0551
64-0555 (AMARC)
64-0558 (Used in the Son Tai Raid, Lost Dec 72, Mid-Air off SC)
64-0559 (Kirtland AFB, NM, as Training Platform for Loadmasters)
64-0561 (AMARC in Sep 2012)
64-0562
64-0563 (Destroyed Nov 67 Nha Trang AB)
64-0564 (Lost Feb 81, off Tabonnes Island, PI, Used for Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt)
64-0565 (Used for and damaged during Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt)
64-0566
64-0567 (Static display at Hurlburt Field, FL, Commando Park, After his capture Manuel Noriega was flown to the USA on this aircraft)
64-0568
64-0571 (AMARC in Aug 2012)
64-0572 (AMARC)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:28 pm 
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I've never really understood 'tail numbers' - how can 63-7785 actually be AC 64-0507?

As for historical significance the survival of a Son Tay raider impresses me.......


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:56 pm 
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The story goes that there were two C-130's that were modified for use by another government agency. They were part of classified non-DOD program called Thin Slice and later part of Heavy Chain. When these AC were no longer needed by them, the Air Force picked them up.

Both the original AC with tail numbers 1843, 7785 were destroyed. So when the AF picked up these two other modified AC they gave them these Tail Numbers, and used them under the Combat Talon program.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:17 pm 
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Story on 62-1843 aka 64-0506

December 20, 1965 : C-130E 62-1843, c/n 3805, of the 345th Troop Carrier Squadron, 314th Troop Carrier Wing, crashed into hill during approach to Tuy Hoa, South Vietnam, according to Lars Olausson. Chris Hobson gives the following account: "...the first Hercules assumed to be lost in the air to enemy action [in Southeast Asia]. The aircraft was attempting to land at Tuy Hoa under a very low cloud base when it was hit by ground fire five miles south of the air base and crashed killing all [five] crew...Enemy action was never actually confirmed to have caused the loss of this aircraft which may have simply flown into high ground in poor visibility." (Vietnam Air Losses, Page 44). Serial number subsequently assigned to C-130E 64-0506, c/n 3990 in 1973, which was assigned "to another agency" December 31, 1964, and flew Air America missions in support of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operations in Southeast Asia in a "sanitized" condition. Modified to C-130E(I). Reappeared at Hurlburt Field, Florida in the early 1970s, carrying 62–1843 identity, as C-130E(I), redesignated MC-130E in early 1977. Assigned to the 711th Special Operations Squadron at Duke Field, Eglin Air Force Base Aux. Field 3, in October 1995, c/n 3990, the faux 62-1843, was still there as of December 2005. The builders plate reads what the Air Force wants it to read, but the airframe hours tell no lies, and the identity is an open secret on the flightline.[6] Seen at Eglin AFB with no markings aside from serials, February 2009.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Story on 63-7785 aka 64-0507

June 17, 1966 : USAF Military Airlift Command C-130E 63-7785, c/n 3852, operated by U.S. Navy squadron VR-7 under MAC control, out of Naval Air Station Moffett, California, exploded over sea after departing Cam Ranh Bay, Republic of Vietnam. Chris Hobson reported in his volume "Vietnam Air Losses", (Midland Publishing, 2001) on page 62 that "(t)he aircraft came down about 45 miles northeast of Nha Trang and about five miles off a small spit of land south of Phu Hiep. Although very little of the aircraft was ever found it was strongly suspected that the aircraft had been a victim of sabotage by Vietnamese communist sympathisers who worked at the base." This was the first Navy operated Hercules to be lost, but it was on loan from an Air Force unit. Serial number subsequently applied to C-130E 64-0507, c/n 3991, in 1972, which was assigned "to another agency" December 31, 1964, and flew Air America missions in support of CIA operations in Southeast Asia in a "sanitized" condition. Operated into Laos in all-black scheme. Operated by the 1198th OETS out of Norton Air Force Base (from October 1967), and modified to C-130E(I) Combat Talon, then assigned to the 1174th Support Squadron, Norton Air Force Base. To 1st Special Operations Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida, December 1972, now sporting the 63-7785, c/n 3852, identity. Modified to Rivet Yank in 1974, and redesignated MC-130E in early 1977. Ops by the 8th Special Operations Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida, mid-1995, then to 711th Special Operations Squadron, Duke Field, Florida by November 1995. Loan to 8th Special Operations Squadron, as of November 2005.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:40 pm 
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I recall a book I read 30+ years ago, ("Air America"..IIRC), the author mentioned "spook" C-130s with all ID marks removed...up to and including all serial numbers on the various parts (and perhaps parts numbers themselves).

At the time I thought it was a bit silly because there were no civil Herks that early so the aircraft would have to have been US or the few allies that then flew them. Not a lot of room for deniability...unlike a an old C-47 or Twin Beech that could have been sold to anyone.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:03 pm 
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For more information on these two C-130's, and all C-130's used by the CIA Click (or paste to search engine) on link below:

http://www.utdallas.edu/library/collect ... ndex3.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:25 pm 
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John Kerr, interesting reading. What amazes me with the MC-130E's is their storied past, starting with Vietnam right up to present day. There are not many active air frames (Tail numbers) flying today that can make that claim.

Some good information on the MC-130E Combat Talon 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_MC-130

I was associated with the Talon 1's for close to 17 years.

88-92 Rhein Main AB, Germany 7th SOS, 39th SOW
96-00 Duke Field, Florida 711th SOS, 919th SOW
01-09 Duke Field, Florida 711th SOS, 919th SOW

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Current as of 29 Sept 2012, the last one is slated for retirement by Sept 2013! The status of the storied MC-130E tail numbers are as follows:

62-1843 Still flying with the 711th SOS/919th SOW (Which is actually AC 64-0506) (Spare for Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt)

63-7785 (Which is actually AC 64-0507) (Used for Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt) (AMARC)

64-0523 (Used in Operation Kingpin the Son Tai Raid) (Static Display Cannon AFB, NM, Air Park)

64-0547 (Lost Dec 1967 Lai Chau Province)

64-0551 Still flying with the 711th SOS/919th SOW

64-0555 (AMARC) (Back-up for the movie Air Force One)

64-0558 (Used in Operation Kingpin the Son Tai Raid) (Lost Dec 72, Mid-Air off SC)

64-0559 (Kirtland AFB, NM, as Training Platform for Loadmasters) (Used in Air Force One Movie)

64-0561 (AMARC)

64-0562 Still flying with the 711th SOS/919th SOW

64-0563 (Destroyed Nov 67 Nha Trang AB)

64-0564 (Lost Feb 81, Off Tabonnes Island, PI)

64-0565 Still flying with the 711th SOS/919th SOW (Used for and damaged during Iran Hostage Rescue Attempt) (Possible display for proposed Duke Field, FL Air Park)

64-0566 (Dobbins AFB, GA, Being torn apart for Center Wing Box evaluations and tests)

64-0567 (Static display at Hurlburt Field, FL, Commando Park, After his capture Manuel Noriega was flown to the USA on this aircraft)

64-0568 Still flying with the 711th SOS/919th SOW (Used during Operation Urgent Fury)

64-0571 (AMARC)

64-0572 (Used during Operation Urgent Fury, hit 3 times by small arms fire) (AMARC)

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JohnB wrote:
I recall a book I read 30+ years ago, ("Air America"..IIRC), the author mentioned "spook" C-130s with all ID marks removed...up to and including all serial numbers on the various parts (and perhaps parts numbers themselves).

At the time I thought it was a bit silly because there were no civil Herks that early so the aircraft would have to have been US or the few allies that then flew them. Not a lot of room for deniability...unlike a an old C-47 or Twin Beech that could have been sold to anyone.

Air America put General Aircraft in Minniesnowplace out of business by their use of HELIO COURIERS. General had a nice little business going producing U-10's and civilian COURIERS, the CIA/AA got a few, liked them, discovered they were the airborne equal to a gray Chevy pickup truck in that they were pretty much off everyones perceptions and ordered more all sans any sort of p/n-s/n. Soon requests started coming in for prints to 'repair/replace' damaged wing ribs or wing skins from a 'government source' then more print requests and a serious drop off to zero orders for their airplanes followed by bankruptcy, seems 'those folks' had enough factory drawings to manufacture their own complete airframes with no pesky p/n-s/n issues. At about the same time the head of the CIA asked 'so, how many airplanes DO we have or own?' after a through search of records the answer was, 'we've got no idea' as engines, parts new, parts old, and parts 'created' for their fleet were scattered all over the world and no way to track things by non existent s/n's. Rumors persist of at least one all bare metal C-130 with no p/n-s/n's on anything kept in a special hanger inside a fenced and guarded compound on Ubon that only came out occasionally at night.

I don't know if they still do or not, but EVERGREEN AIR in Oregon used to have a 'ready' airplane (usually a 727QC with palletized seats) that had cheat stripes but no logos and no registration number on it, if it was 'needed' a mechanic strolled out to it on the ramp with a stencil, a ladder, and a rattlecan of black paint and suddenly that 727 was 9V-GMR or some other bogus # including the same as one doing the U.S. Mail overnight domestic contracts so they could say 'no, N 1234EV was in Cleveland at that time two nights ago' because EVERGREEN was some sort of tied in with 'curious' projects for a while including being the ONLY allowed bidder for a closed Air Force Base in Marana AZ.

Check utdallas.edu-library for a very interesting deep dive into Air Americas fleet

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I thought I saw pics of a MC-130 lost in Iraq or Afghanistan, left wing torn off, airplane blown up after parts salvaged?

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Yes there was a MC-130P/N Combat Shadow lost, and a couple MC-130H Combat Talon II's lost, but no MC-130E Combat Talon I's were lost.

Two Talon I's were lost to combat or while deployed 64-0563 (Nov 67) and 64-0547 (Dec 67)
Two Talon I's were lost during exercises 64-0558 (Dec 72) and 64-0564 (Feb 81)

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Enemy Ace wrote:
I thought I saw pics of a MC-130 lost in Iraq or Afghanistan, left wing torn off, airplane blown up after parts salvaged?

I believe those are two separate incidents. The MC-130 was lost landing in Iraq at a field in 2004 where construction was not NOTAMed; this is the airplane seen in photos missing a wing.

The second airplane was a slick C-130H2 force-landed in the vicinity of Baghdad Airport in 2008 appearing very much intact. After it was stripped, there are videos online of the demolition.

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