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Even though this is about Air Racing...it's Air Racing with Warbirds !!!

Take a trip back in the time machine courtesy of my father's home movies !!!

California 1000 at Mojave

California 1000 at Brown Field

I hope you all like it....!!!

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Great stuff Steve!


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Thanks for the videos, I liked the F-8F with the long drop tanks. I'd been in and out of Brown Field many times and never knew that they had races there. It still would be a good place for them...

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Enjoyed those Steve. Thanks for posting them. :D
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Great stuff, thanks for posting Steve.

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That brought back memories. I remember reading about Clay Lacy's DC-7 entry in Air Progress magazine. I recall that they wanted to do the trim in purple and someone ordered 200 gallons instead of 20 ( or 200 quarts insteand of 20 gallons) of purple paint. After that they painted everything at his FBO in purple including his P-51, for years. The flame painted Sea Fury was another favorite, at the time it was owned by a dentist named Sherman? Whatever became of it?

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Thanks for posting the videos Steve. I about jumped out of my chair when I saw the links. :D


Here is some (incomplete) info I posted a few years ago in another thread about this race:

"Some tidbits I dug up and saved awhile back on the California 1000 from various sites:

"One writer observed during the race that the DC-7 flew lower than some of the single-engined aircraft and that it flew faster and made better pylon turns than a competing Douglas A-26 Invader. The DC-7 finished in a commendable sixth place in a field of twenty and still had 1,500 gallons of fuel remaining. (For the record, the race was won by a Sea Fury in 2 hours 52 minutes and 38 seconds at an average speed of 344.08 mph). "


1970 - Nov 13-15, California 1000 Air Race, Mojave CA
Unlimited (partial list):
1. Sherman Cooper, Sea Fury II
2. Cliff Cummins, P-51D
3. Mike Loening, P-51D
4. Bob Metcalf/Lyle Shelton, Sea Fury II
5. Jack Sliker, P-51D
6. Clay Lacy/Allen Paulsen, DC-7B
7. Howard Keefe, P-51D


Clay Lacy when asked about the DC-7B after the race:

"We proved at maximum continous allowable power, that it would fly as fast as a P-51""



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John Dupre wrote:
That brought back memories. I remember reading about Clay Lacy's DC-7 entry in Air Progress magazine. I recall that they wanted to do the trim in purple and someone ordered 200 gallons instead of 20 ( or 200 quarts insteand of 20 gallons) of purple paint. After that they painted everything at his FBO in purple including his P-51, for years. The flame painted Sea Fury was another favorite, at the time it was owned by a dentist named Sherman? Whatever became of it?


That Sea Fury is still around, and was raced a few years back at Reno with stock wings, and canopy, but a similar paint scheme. The cut down outer wing panels were raced on Critical Mass, and later ended up on September Fury.


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Here is another shot I found of Super Snoopy. I have never been a fan of the car vs airplane race gimmick at airshows, but this would change my mind.


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In late 1969 my Dad WG (Bill) Woodard President of OMNI sponsered Clay Lacy for the reno air races we won the 70 race but dad thought the logo on the plane was too small to be seen as the mustang rounded the pylons so he brainstormed with Clay and came up with the DC 7 for Reno, Reno said no to racing the DC 7 so they (Clay Lacy and Bill Woodard) came up with the idea of the 1000 ,Clay was President of the PRPA and got support from the ranks, We also had our logo on Miss America and a few others the purple paint came from a misorder in late 63 or early 64 -during the last 30 laps the race comm was telling Clay he was in 11th place so he didnt push the DC 7 too hard had he known he was in 6th he could have picked up a place or 2 -Rob Woodard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0xSA7x3xn8

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As I have mentioned (bragged) here before, I went to Mojave air races twice. I'm pretty sure the DC-7 was in the 71 races (could be wrong,its been a long time and my brain aint what it used to be,where am I?) and in 1974 for sure. I'm thinking the P-38 was the scatterbrain kid. The story going around was the reason that the Blue max didnt win (1974) was because it still had all its guns and was too heavy( Uh huh, Sure). In the film you can also see "Miss America " I flew and crashed this plane numerous times. Of course it was hanging from 2 strings as I went round and round. It was one of the late war planes built by the Cox corporation in Santa Ana,Ca.

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as I said we won Reno 70 thats Aug. the first 1000 was in 71 -no photos will load- our backing of Howie Keefe's Miss America also started in 71

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 Post subject: Re: California 1000
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Well, since I'm four years into my book project on the Unlimited races at Mojave, I'll toss in my two-cents worth.

Lacy and Woodard did not come up with the idea for the California 1000. That was devised over lunch at the Lockheed Skunkworks at Palmdale between Darryl Greenamyer, Chuck Hall, Tony LeVier, and Fish Salmon...all of whom were Lockheed test pilots. Greenamyer thought out loud how cool it would be to have a race with pit-stops....and that was the genesis of it. Since they did all their test flying in and around Palmdale/Edwards AFB, they were all familiar with the facilities at Mojave and figured that would be the perfect place for it. Greenamyer, Hall, and Adam Robbins formed the company that put on all three of the 1000 mile/km races in 1970 and 71.

Clay and Allen Paulson came up with the idea for Super Snoopy and were fortunate enough to have Omni come on as co-sponsor (since Paulson's American Jet Industries was also involved). The idea for the DC-7 was to find something that could go the race non-stop, but was 'different' enough that it could generate publicity for the races....which it most certainly did.

The first race at Mojave was in October 1970. Thirty six aircraft entered, twenty started--which was the largest number of planes on the course at one time ever....before or since. 66 laps over a 15 mile course.

Sherm Cooper's Sea Fury had originally been modified by Mike Carroll as a transcon racer, so it (like the Dave Zeuschel/Cliff Cummins "Maytag Mustang") could fly the race non-stop. The only other plane that could do it was the DC-7. But as I understand it, Joe Matos (Lacy's flight engineer) majorly over-estimated the fuel needed for the race, and so they had several thousand pounds extra weight to lug around.

Cooper won the race by five laps over second place Cummins....and that included a cut pylon on the first lap of the race and taking the time to go re-circle the #5 pylon on the backside of the course (which had been designated as the 'un-lapping' pylon if you were called for a cut). Clay finished sixth, six laps down. Even if he had carried less fuel, the best he could have finished was third, as there were only three other planes on the 60th lap at the finish...there's no way he could have made up a lap on Cummins, and certainly no way he (or anyone) could have caught up with Cooper. The race lasted over three hours.

In May of '71 Robbins and Greenamyer promoted the United States Cup at Brown Field in San Diego. It was another 1000 mile race (100 laps on a 10 lap course). Because Cooper had beaten everyone by several laps at Mojave, the rules were changed to say that every competitor had to make at least one pit stop. This took away any advantage from the flying gas tanks. Lyle Shelton mounted some Skyraider drop tanks on his Bearcat to increase the range, but during the race it really threw the c.g. out of whack and he struggled to keep the plane under control until the fuel in the tanks burned off. Lacy showed up with the DC-7 again, this time with Fish Salmon in a Constellation called 'Red Baron' (foil to Snoopy, naturally). But Howie Keefe led a group of pilots who complained that the DC-7 had put out dangerous wake turbulance at Mojave and that several pilots had been effected by it...so ultimately the two airliners were 'legislated out' of the field on the day of the race. Cooper won the race again in the Sea Fury, but only because of fueling miscalculations on the part of Darryl Greenamyer and Bob Love in their respective Mustangs. The race was marred by the fatal crash of Mike Geren in Ron Reynold's Bearcat.

By the way, the picture that MX 304 included shows Lacy flying Super Snoopy against Darryl Greenamyer's "Smirnoff" dragster...with an engine built by Dave Zeuschel. You know the pick-up races they have at airshows with Smok'n Thunder versus an airplane? This was how they did it 'old school'. This was at San Diego the morning of the race, after they had determined they weren't going to allow Clay to race.

Greenamyer and Robbins tried it again at Mojave in October '71, but this time they reduced the race to 1000 km. The three + hour endurance races to go 1000 miles was too much on the pilots, so they shortened it to 44 laps around the 15 mile Mojave course. Sherm Cooper's Sea Fury had an engine failure during qualification and he had to put it down in the puckerbushes on the backside of the course (about 5 miles away from the airport)...which collapsed the gear and dinged the plane something bad. The weather for the race was down in the 40's and very windy...so only about 6,000 people showed up. Frank Sanders won in his #232 Sea Fury (which is now September Fury).

Robbins and Greenamyer lost a lot of money putting on these three 'distance' races, so ultimately they gave up. Two years later Clay Lacy, Dick Sykes, and Lyle Shelton formed Air Race Management. ARM put on the California Air Classic races at Mojave from 1973-79. These were multi-class races that were patterned after the Reno program. They suffered from the same issues that effected the 1000 mile/km races at Mojave....out in the middle of nowhere, too far away from Los Angeles to draw a big crowd, no lodging facilities nearby, and wind, wind, WIND.

The P-38 that Agent 86 refers to was the late Gary Levitz's plane. That was the only P-38 that ever participated in the racing at any of the Mojave races...1970, 71, 73, and 74.

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