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 Post subject: Tennesee Bearcats?
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This has been in the back of my mind for a while, but rereading my class notes reminded me.

My History professor mentioned that back when he was a kid, he remembered going to Knoxville Downtown Airport, and seeing one or more F8F bearcats based there. He also mentioned that he remembered the owner of said Bearcats died in a crash in one of them. Could anyone fill me in on which specific Bearcats this could have been? I don't know when the timeframe was, but my guess is late 60's-early 70's? Any help on this would be great, thanks :)


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I think reading through this thread would answer some of your questions.

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This has been in the back of my mind for a while, but rereading my class notes reminded me.

My History professor mentioned that back when he was a kid, he remembered going to Knoxville Downtown Airport, and seeing one or more F8F bearcats based there. He also mentioned that he remembered the owner of said Bearcats died in a crash in one of them. Could anyone fill me in on which specific Bearcats this could have been? I don't know when the timeframe was, but my guess is late 60's-early 70's? Any help on this would be great, thanks :)


Sounds like Bubba Beal and Chub Smith to me. They had a couple of Bearcats for a while....but at one time had matching Bearcats painted in the 'bright blue' Red Rippers squadron markings.

Chub was killed in one...flew into a thunderstorm, I believe. Probably 1980 timeframe. His plane was previously owned by Bill Stead and flown by Mira Slovak at Reno '64-65, and then by Mike Smith in 1973.

I think Bubba's Bearcat is now part of Stephen Grey's "The Fighter Collection" over at Duxford.

Bubba and Chub, according to a conversation I had with Ed Maloney a while back, were bankers who had apparently 'taken out questionable loans' against the aircraft they owned...and it sort of hindered things when trying to settle the Smith estate after the accident.

Even caused a problem for Ed Maloney because in 1981 Bubba groundlooped his HA-1112 (the ex-Whittington bird) at Reno and 'donated' it to the Planes of Fame....but there was some claim that the bank still technically owned it and such. Took a few years to get the legalities straightened out and for the PoF to have 'true' ownership of the airframe.

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I was at Reno and watched Bubba go out through the weeds in the 109.


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did it crash in TN or somewhere else?

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The duo consisted of Charles H. "Chub" Smith and Harold "Bubba" Beal. They used to do an aerobatic routine together in the Bearcats around the Tennesse area. At the time, Harold was the publisher and president of the family business.They owned the newspaper "The Knoxville News Sentinel." His family also had old money from the timber and coal industry in east Tennessee. He was one of the wealthiest people in Knoxville.
The story at the time was that Bubba had all the charm, wit, flying ability, good looks, airplanes, and of course, fortune. He allowed his underling , Chub to walk in his shadow and study his greatness and natural ability at flying and everything else.
He had a Stearman, T-28A,p-51, Learjet, F7F Tigercat, F-86, Me-109/Buchon, three Bearcats, and I don't remember what else. After Chub got killed by a lightning strike on a cross country flight to his home in Palm Beach, all the airplanes went for sale within a couple of years.
The Stearman was lost when it's one mag went bad while Bubba was flying over the Tennessee River across from the Univ. of Tenn. He put it down on a rock bluff about the size of a trailer truck. It's visible from the campus. The airplane was a write off however Bubba's ego and status as a legend remained unblemished.
The T-28A was written off after the fuel gage broke and left Bubba over a winding mountain highway with only a couple hundred feet of road to put it down.
I think the F-86A survived their ownership without incident.
The F7f was sold to Kalamazoo and tried to kill John Ellis on its ferry flight to Kalamazoo.
The Me-109/Buchon was only flown by Bubba. He scraped a wingtip landing at Oshkosh and shortly thereafter it got away from him at Reno. Buchons were dirt cheap back then and a lot of people donated them after tearing them up. The prospect of a Messerschmitt with a hot Merlin at Reno was very exciting and talked about by several people back then.
The Lear, a 20 series, was sought after by the IRS and they were going to impound it. It was hidden at KTYS and he got tipped off. SO he jumped in it single pilot and took off. He disappeared a minute or two after takeoff from radar contact and went tree hugging. He landed on someone's private 2000' foot grass strip. He slammed it on, locked the brakes and full thrust reverse and after a huge cloud of dust cleared he had gotten it stopped without hitting anything. He then hid it under some huge trees.
The Feds knew he couldn't be more than twenty miles from the airport but it took two years to find it. When they found it they had to haul it out of there on a flatbed truck.


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Is Beal still around?

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The duo consisted of Charles H. "Chub" Smith and Harold "Bubba" Beal. They used to do an aerobatic routine together in the Bearcats around the Tennesse area. At the time, Harold was the publisher and president of the family business.They owned the newspaper "The Knoxville News Sentinel." His family also had old money from the timber and coal industry in east Tennessee. He was one of the wealthiest people in Knoxville.
The story at the time was that Bubba had all the charm, wit, flying ability, good looks, airplanes, and of course, fortune. He allowed his underling , Chub to walk in his shadow and study his greatness and natural ability at flying and everything else.
He had a Stearman, T-28A,p-51, Learjet, F7F Tigercat, F-86, Me-109/Buchon, three Bearcats, and I don't remember what else. After Chub got killed by a lightning strike on a cross country flight to his home in Palm Beach, all the airplanes went for sale within a couple of years.
The Stearman was lost when it's one mag went bad while Bubba was flying over the Tennessee River across from the Univ. of Tenn. He put it down on a rock bluff about the size of a trailer truck. It's visible from the campus. The airplane was a write off however Bubba's ego and status as a legend remained unblemished.
The T-28A was written off after the fuel gage broke and left Bubba over a winding mountain highway with only a couple hundred feet of road to put it down.
I think the F-86A survived their ownership without incident.
The F7f was sold to Kalamazoo and tried to kill John Ellis on its ferry flight to Kalamazoo.
The Me-109/Buchon was only flown by Bubba. He scraped a wingtip landing at Oshkosh and shortly thereafter it got away from him at Reno. Buchons were dirt cheap back then and a lot of people donated them after tearing them up. The prospect of a Messerschmitt with a hot Merlin at Reno was very exciting and talked about by several people back then.
The Lear, a 20 series, was sought after by the IRS and they were going to impound it. It was hidden at KTYS and he got tipped off. SO he jumped in it single pilot and took off. He disappeared a minute or two after takeoff from radar contact and went tree hugging. He landed on someone's private 2000' foot grass strip. He slammed it on, locked the brakes and full thrust reverse and after a huge cloud of dust cleared he had gotten it stopped without hitting anything. He then hid it under some huge trees.
The Feds knew he couldn't be more than twenty miles from the airport but it took two years to find it. When they found it they had to haul it out of there on a flatbed truck.


AWESOME! Thanks. Reading that sort of jogged my memory about Bubba's profession. I forgot about the newspaper business. I guess it was the business that took out loans 'against' the airplanes that caused all the legal hassle back then.

I kind of have to laugh about a Buchon with a 'hot' Merlin. That's like stuffing a 454 into a Vega, isn't it? It kind of defeats the purpose. Bubba's Buchon was only at Reno to participate in the 'dogfight' with Jerry Billings in the Spitfire. He did qualify it (something like 302 mph), but it wasn't fast enough to make the field.

Ironically, that is the same Buchon that the Whittington's entered in 1976. That went up in smoke when they found metal in the screens at Las Vegas on the flight up from Phoenix. Talk about a monstrosity...the thing was painted in pseud-RAF markings. (shaking my head....)

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T J Johansen wrote:
Is Beal still around?

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Harold "Bubba" Beal had a Stearman, T-28A,p-51, Learjet, F7F Tigercat, F-86, Me-109/Buchon, three Bearcats, and I don't remember what else.


Hal Beal also had the very first McKinnon G-21C Goose (s/n 1201), although by the time he owned N150M, it had been rebuilt as the one and only G-21D (s/n 1251) and then further modified with the installation of two PT6A-20 turbines under STC SA1320WE. In that configuration, with its extended nose (including 4 extra seats), I think it tied for the World's Ugliest Goose award along with N221AG (ex-N86MT, aka the "Aleutian Goose").

Hal visited our shop (Antilles Seaplanes) about two years ago and seemed to be very much still active in aviation. He told us that his turbine McKinnon G-21D "hybrid" Goose was the only one in his large stable of aircraft that he always wanted to fly and that was able to undertake just about any mission that he could conceive of. He also said that he regretted selling it to the Whittington Brothers in the 1980's before they got caught smuggling drugs to finance their car and airplane racing efforts.

Although it is still registered to Water Fowl Inc of Ft. Lauderdale, N150M is rumored to have been scrapped in Haiti (or possibly Cuba) in the late 1990's. It's a crying shame.

Hal did promise to buy one of our new Antilles G-21G Super Gooses once we get spooled up to full production. Apparently, money is still not an object of too much concern for him.


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I have a flight to KTYS this afternoon. I will see if I can find any info on "Bubba."


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did it crash in TN or somewhere else?

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No luck yesterday but I remembered that Bubba also crashed a Swiss C.3605 at Mcghee Tyson. Apparently he convinced Dr. John Whittington of Knoxville to buy this aircraft instead of a T-6 to get current and prepare for flying the P-47.
He was giving flight training to Dr. Whittington and forgot to lower the gear, and the aircraft skidded to a stop with an ensuing fire. This grounded the C.3605 almost indeffinietely and the Dr. later sold his project to Jon Shofner and it is the P-47 now known as "Wicked Wabbit".


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No luck yesterday but I remembered that Bubba also crashed a Swiss C.3605 at Mcghee Tyson. Apparently he convinced Dr. John Whittington of Knoxville to buy this aircraft instead of a T-6 to get current and prepare for flying the P-47.
He was giving flight training to Dr. Whittington and forgot to lower the gear, and the aircraft skidded to a stop with an ensuing fire. This grounded the C.3605 almost indeffinietely and the Dr. later sold his project to Jon Shofner and it is the P-47 now known as "Wicked Wabbit".


don't know where that Schlepp is now but here it is a few years ago:

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