Help needed on 15 aircraft!

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:25 am

I was asked to help find info on 15 aircraft for the museum. Im looking for websites that list how many were built and how many are still airworthy. And yes I do remember the WIX registry..

Beech AT-11
Dehaviland DH-82A
Grumman C-1A
Beech D-18H
Baby Great Lakes
Consolidated PBY 5
Consolidated PB4Y2
Cessna T50
Lockheed PV2D
Stinson L5
Grumman TBM3E
Supermarine Spitfire
Hawker Hurricane
Navy N3N
Grumman F3F-2

Im sure that I wont find them all listed on the same website. Some are easier than others. But I need the help from WIX on some good sites with the info needed. Mainly the airworthy part! :wink:

Thanks!

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:43 am

James Gray's website is a good starting point for Stinson L-5s (the best!).
http://www.sentinelclub.org/

Ryan

Holedigger · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:47 am

Pretty definitive site for the PBY is
http://www.pby.com/
or ask David Legg there, he knows it all or can tell you who does!

This site will help with other surviving prop jobs

http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/contents.htm

Tim Landers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:56 am

Found this for the F3F
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/ac-u ... es/f3f.htm
Eighty-one F3F-2 models were ordered (Bu#s 0967-1047). These initially equipped two Marine Corps fighting squadrons and that of USS Enterprise (CV-6) during 1938. One of these (Bu# 1031) became the XF3F-3.

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:00 am

I knew I could count on you guys!! :drink3:

THANKS!!

Warbirdnerd · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:34 pm **Posts:** 2923

www.warbirdalley.com
Has individual pages for many types of aircraft where they give some of the developmental history, number built, and number still flying.
Here is their page for the PB4Y
http://www.warbirdalley.com/pb4y2.htm

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:27 am

I did search on warbird alley and wikipedia to start with. Some of the other sites are good as well!

Dan K · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:31 am

Original message deleted by creator for lack of anything subastantial to add to the thread.

David Legg · **Joined:** Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:07 pm **Posts:** 338

As someone mentioned my name further back I thought I had better respond. In the listing of types for which info is required, 'PBY-5' is quoted but I am assuming you want data for all aircraft of the PBY/OA-10/Catalina/Canso/PBN Nomad family. If not, get back to me. On the basis my assumption is correct, total production was 3,281 airframes in North America and 27 in the Soviet Union. 1,428 were amphibians, all North American production.

These numbers differ from the table in William Scarborough's PBY Catalina in action, page 50 for the following reasons, illustrious author though he is/was. He has double counted a PBN-1 Nomad when in fact the serial 02946 was a rebuild of 02802 that was damaged by fire. He also omits ten Canso A serials 11091 to 11100. I believe therefore that his totalof 3,272 for North American production is in error. He did not give a figure for Soviet production in his table.

As far as airworthy examples are concerned, we encounter the usual problem of defining 'airworthy' but an estimate of 20 would be a maximum at present. Airframes actually ready for flight at a moments notice would probably be no more than ten. Most recent flyer is almost certainly Duxford's G-PBYA which flew for the first time this year yesterday.

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:25 am

Thanks David. Just looking for the amount of PBY's and a figure of currently airworthy.

Old SAR pilot · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:54 pm

On the Grumman TF-1/C-1 Trader, Joe Baugher has a pretty good listing at:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/navyserials.html

More S-2/TF-1/C-1 info at:

http://www.s2ftracker.com/

As far as airworthy (?) examples, in the U.S., the following N-numbers were noted on the FAA site:

6193N
6193Z
778SR
475AM
6788
6192F
27PH
189G
71456
7171M
81389
81193

JDK · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:03 pm

From Flypast's Forum:

Mark12 wrote:

I am away from my database but from memory about 45 Spitfires can be considered airworthy at this time.

17 February 2009
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=88338

I'm not going to find a total for Spitfires built - others can be pedantic there! As David's outlined for the PBY/Catalina family, you just have to be careful to note what is included in your question - Seafires here for instance.

It is better, IMHO, with mass produced types to state to the nearest thousand or hundred than get embroiled in endless arguments over less than ten. 'Over X were built' does for most people unless you are providing data for research purposes; it's nice when someone like David gives you his conclusions, but what happens when he finds two corrections to his numbers? (Does happen...)

Hawker Hurricanes:

Mark V wrote:

Here is an updated list:

1. LF363 - BBMF, RAF Coningsby, UK.
2. PZ865 - BBMF, RAF Coningsby, UK.
3. G-BKTH - Sea Hurricane - Shuttleworth Collection, Old Warden, UK.
4. G-HURI - HAC, Duxford UK.
5. G-HUPW/R4118 - Mk 1 - Peter Vacher, Didcot ,UK.
6. ZK-TPK/P3351 - Alpine Fighter Collection, Wanaka, NZ.
7. C-FDNL - (former G-ORGI), Ed Russell, Niagra, Canada.
8. C-FTPM - KZ321 (Mk IV) – Vintage Wings of Canada (Michael Potter), Canada.
9. N943HH/RCAF 5667 - Fighter Factory, Virginia Beach, Virginia, USA.
10. N33TF/AE977 - Tom Friedkin, Texas, USA.
11. N54FH - Flying Heritage Collection, Seattle, USA.
12. G-HHII/'BE505' - Hangar 11 Collection, N Weald, Essex, UK.

28 Jan 2009.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20861

(G-HHII is undergoing repair at the moment.)

Assuming your conclusions are for publication and you want to get it right, the correct name is de Havilland DH82 Tiger Moth; lower case 'd' in all cases, even at the start of a sentence (except for the abbreviations - DH or DHA/C etc) and gap between the de and 'H'. Better to leave off the 'A' in 82, as I presume, again you'll want to include the few DH-82 type built, the DH82C (Canadian and the Australian production as well, the 'A' being a specific sub type. As for airworthy numbers, I've not seen reliable figures for some years - I'd guess at about 70 airworthy in the UK and a similar number in Australia. There are significant numbers flying in the US, Canada, and New Zealand as well, plus a smaller number these days in Europe. You could probably get a better estimate asking around (on Key Forum for instance) the de Havilland Moth Club, or maybe DH Support might be able to help.

www.dhsupport.com/

www.dhmothclub.co.uk/

Do you want just C1As or S2F etc? AFAIK, there are none of that family flying outside of N America; the RAN Historic Flight have their example (Tracker) in taxying and intended airworthy condition.

There are a handful of airworthy L-5s in Australia - at least three airworthy I believe, plus a couple in Europe (including the UK). Not sure of NZ or elsewhere. There are three flying Grumman Avenger family types in Aus, I think one in Europe(?) but I've lost touch with them. I'll stop guessing now! :lol:

HTH!

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:56 am

Ask Ober...... :wink:

Lynn

Steve S · **Posted:** Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:10 pm

Trae- Doug Ratchford is pretty into the PBY thing and I think he may have some info for you on that one- I know he has already done some pretty good research on the background of the one at the museum.

PS- are you flying this weekend

Steve

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:05 am

Steve S wrote:

Trae- Doug Ratchford is pretty into the PBY thing and I think he may have some info for you on that one- I know he has already done some pretty good research on the background of the one at the museum.

PS- are you flying this weekend

Steve

Hey Steve~O!

The headshed asked for some help with some numbers, so I think they have what they need.

I dont think I will be flying this weekend. But I might be in attendance though.

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