NEW TSA REGULATIONS THREATEN BOMBER FLIGHTS??!!

wendovertom · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:26 am

I am sure someone here can further enlighten me about the issue that the Collings Foundation and probably the CAF are facing with the TSA proposed rule "Docket Number TSA 2008-0021, Large Aircraft Security Program, Other Aircraft Operator Security Program and Airport Operator Security Program"

This sounds like a terrible rule that would kill the wings of freedom tour and maybe all bigger historic aircraft operations.

If you know more please share with the group here - I'm calling my Rep and Senator!

Tom P.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:27 am

I don't know anything about it, but if that is true, that sucks.

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:46 am

Umm... this was brought up a few months ago guys when the NPRM was initially issued. There's a thread here on the forum called "New TSA Rule" or something to that effect.

Edit: Here's the thread -

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=24882

Silverplate · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:49 am

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/c ... -2008-0021

The first item in the list is the document. Click the PDF file to read the 67 page document.

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:08 am

it does more than threaten bomber flights, it threatens the use of a pilot's or owners use of personal property. They want to require fingerprinting and background checks of the flight crew, even if the flight crew is the owner of the aircraft, as well as screening of passengers, even if passengers are the owners family, friends or employees.

it is BS, pure and simple, and if it could be bagged and sold, would be the best fertilzer ever invented.

Go to the site and leave a comment.

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:51 am

While this has been brought up before, I'm glad for the repost as I hope everyone will comment on this.

Ryan

EDowning · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:25 pm

NOT just Bombers!

General Aviation Aircraft - FAA Certificated as Exhibition aircraft

Maximum Gross Weight greater than 12,500 pounds

Civilian Exhibition Propeller Aircraft

Douglas AD/A-1 Skyraider

Consolidated B-24 Liberator
Boeing
B-17 Flying Fortress / B-247 / B-377 / B-307

Ford Tri-Motor FO-5

McDonnell Douglas
DC-2 / DC-3 / DC-4 / DC-3S / DC-6 / DC-7 / DC-B18 / DC-B23 / DC-B26 / DC-A20 / DC-A24 / C-47 Skytrain or Dakota

Fairchild Hiller C-82A

Grumman
G-TBM / G-111 Albatross / G-73 Mallard / G-S2 / G-F7F / SA-16 Albatross / G-111 Albatross / G-73 Mallard / OV1 Mohawk / F8F Bearcat

Lockheed
L-14 Super Electra / L-18 Loadstar / L1049 Connie / L-P38 Lightning / L-P2V Neptune / LP-34 Ventura / PV-1 Ventura / PV-2 Harpoon

Bushmaster BU-2000

Sikorsky S-61
SK-32 / SK-44 / CH-3 / CH-53 / H-34 / SH-3

General Dynamics Consolidated Vultee / Convair
CV-240 / CV-340 / CV-440 / CV-LB30 / CV-PBY / CV-P4Y

Northrup NH-P61

North American Rockwell N-B25 Mitchell

Fairchild
FA-119C / FA-C123

Vickers
VC-700 / VC-800

Martin Marietta
Mariner 202 / Mariner 404

Curtis Wright C-46 Commando

Howard HW-500

DeHavilland
DH-4 / DHC CV-2/C-7

Mil – Mi-17

Boeing
CH-47 Chinook / CH-46 Sea Knight

Republic P-47 Thunderbolt

North American F-82 Twin Mustang

Chance Vought F4U Corsair

Curtis SB2C Helldiver

Civilian Exhibition Jet Aircraft

Convair F-106A Delta Dart

Dassault-Breguet-Dornier Alpha Jet

DeHavilland DH-112 Venom

English Electric Canberra (Martin B-57)

English Electric Lightning

Hawker Hunter

Lockheed F-104 Starfighter

McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom

McDonnell Douglas AV-8 Harrier

Mikoyan
MiG-15 / MiG-17 / MiG-21 / MiG-23 / MiG-29

North American
F-86 Sabre / FJ-4 Fury / F-11 Super Sabre

North American / Rockwell T-2 Buckeye

Django · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:38 pm

Do you just click on the link under the person's name that says Send a Comment? It looks like that adds it to that particular person's comments. Is that right?

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:40 pm

Django wrote:

Do you just click on the link under the person's name that says Send a Comment? It looks like that adds it to that particular person's comments. Is that right?

I don't know for sure, but I clicked on the

button to the right of the initial TSA document.

Maybe someone else is more familiar with the process...

Ryan

Django · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:47 pm

That helped Ryan. I was too deep into the comment section when trying to post comments. Thanks!

Ztex · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:09 pm

I was not able to post a comment earlier...I was able to do so today!

Thanks for bringing this back to our attention.

It is important that we stand up for our aviation. Airports and airplanes are threatened b this mess....

Django · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:27 pm

It appears my comments are not showing up? Crap, what did I do wrong this time? :roll:

I got the confirmation number.

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:53 pm

I got a confirmation number, too, but my comments aren't there yet either. I wonder if it takes time to show up. I'll give it about a day, then try again if nothing appears.

Ryan

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:28 pm

RyanShort1 wrote:

I got a confirmation number, too, but my comments aren't there yet either. I wonder if it takes time to show up. I'll give it about a day, then try again if nothing appears.

Ryan

I bet the majority of the comments never see the light of day

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:59 pm

We'll see. The last time something like this was going on was with the Air Tour issue. I know a lot of comments did make it through including mine.

Ryan

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