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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:39 am 
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Was at Parris Island Wednesday to promote my son to Lance Corporal, we spent part of the day with him, looking around the base before heading back to Florida. He knew I wanted to see this, so off we went.

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"These are the remains of a Brewster Buccaneer. Not a good combat bomber, most were assigned to training. This plane, attached to Page Field, about a half-mile north, crashed in 1943. Parts worth salvaging were removed, and the remainder, now upside down, was towed here where it would not obstruct the airfield. Both crewmen survived."

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Somebody save it, and fly it!!!!!!!!

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Warbird Kid wrote:
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Somebody save it, and fly it!!!!!!!!


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P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer.

S: Took hammer away from midget.


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Nice "display" :roll: . This reminds me of the old gag about the guy who had a big hole in the wall and instead of fixing it, put a frame around it and called it modern art... Were parts salvaged from this one and used for the one at Pensacola? Is there a BuNo available?

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the reason it is still there is the navy policy of leaving wrecks in place to rot.


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wow a rare aircraft left to rot. Great! :? :roll:

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Before we go off the deep end like normal here, has anyone ever tried to get this aircraft?

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Before we go off the deep end like normal here, has anyone ever tried to get this aircraft?
, seeing how it is on Paris Island, a active base, I doubt it.

I know of a certain TBD that someone tried to get and was sued by the navy, as well as a certain Corsair that took a act of congress to get the navy to back off.


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This SB2A is already fairly well-known. I don't have the Bu# at hand, but probably have tucked in a file somewhere at home.

I find it interesting to compare Mike's pics with one from 1999. Scroll down to the last pic here:

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/SC/Airfields_SC_SE.htm

As already mentioned, the aircraft would only be recoverable if one obtained permission through the NHC. You all have the ability to go to the NHC website and discover for yourselves what that involves.

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Hi Guys,

Is recovery of this airframe out of the question ? Or does the Marine Corps. follow in the footsteps of the Navy.

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Aircraft Mech Paul wrote:
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Is recovery of this airframe out of the question ? Or does the Marine Corps. follow in the footsteps of the Navy.

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The aircraft is Naval property.

Here are the basic parameters for displaying their historical artifacts (If you can convince them that you should be allowed to display their historical artifacts). As you can imagine, one will need to jump through additional hoops if you are planning to carry out the actual recovery of the object (if you can convince them that you should be permitted to recover their historical artifact).

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org2-2b.htm

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Historic? Naa, most people would think its a Helldiver anyway. :P :lol:

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Historic? Naa, most people would think its a Helldiver anyway. :P :lol:


Right, we have WAAYYY too many Helldivers.


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Parts of this aircraft were used in the Navy restoration, according to the restoration guys at Pennsacola I talked to. I'm not sure what they did use though, but it was almost certainly just small parts. I wish someone would preserve her though... the Navy Myseum scrapped most of the remains of the one from Tullahoma recently of course, so I wouldn't hold my breath over that.

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1. I mean no offense, except to the NHC.

2. I would like to challenge anyone who thinks they can work WITH the NHC and recover this piece of Naval aviation history to do so and learn how much they do NOT know! As I recall it took the Navy about 6 months to reply to any written or oral correspondence I had with them, and I am sure they were fast tracking me! So get back to us on the WIX in about a year on this Bermuda.

3. The NHC requires an environmental impact study before any part of the site can be displaced. As I understand that would be something in excess of $250,000.

4. I would like to know if the NHC complied with item 3 before removing parts for Pensacola?

5. The Navy's NHC has a policy of destruction and should develop a policy of preservation. The hoops you have to jump through are designed to eliminate the recovery of any abandoned Naval aircraft.

6. Containment of rant!

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