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This Thread is going to be long, so I'm cutting it into parts....

So on Tuesday September 9th, 2008 I organized a day of aviation related tours around Vancouver International Airport for a group of 6 WWII Typhoon pilots coming from all across Canada. Their names were Bob Spencer DFC of RCAF 438 Sqn, Ted Smith of RCAF 440 Sqn, Ralph Downing of RAF 184, John Flintoft of RCAF 440 Sqn, Angus Scott of RCAF 440 Sqn, and Harry Hardy DFC of RCAF 440 Sqn.

Let's just say that by the end of the day they were like close friends to me and I felt like I had known them forever. They had an air about them that just made you feel good. They were an absolutely wonder bunch of guys and I wish I could have spent more time with them. Thankfully, a couple of them live relatively close to Vancouver and I hope to see them in the near future.

The pilots told me stories of their time flying Typhoons with the RCAF and RAF and I asked them questions all day long. For me, it isn't very often that I get to meet WWII pilots so I took the opportunity to learn as much as I could from them. It really was a special day for me.

Wherever we went they were treated like celebrities. They were like Hollywood celebrities signing autographs all over the place, but the people that met them had a far stronger appreciation for them than anyone could have for a movie star or pop singer.

Besides the 6 Typhoon pilots there were a few others in the group. There was a woman who was the widow of a Typhoon pilot thar passed away last november. I could tell that things were still very hard for her and that being surrounded by the other Tiffy pilots (her friends) she was better able to cope with her loss. Others in the group included a "Too young to be a Tiffy Pilot" from England, as well as the son and wife of one of the pilots in the group, and of course the groups long-time international tour guide. This woman, whose name escapes me has organized many trips for this Typhoon pilot group going to Normandy, Holland, and England (Hendon to see the last remaining Typhoon) and other sites in Canada. She was a great woman and absolutely adored the group of guys she's been globe trotting with. But, if you ask me, I think anyone who spends enough time with these guys would feel the same way. This woman had an amazing way of tracking down lost contacts in the places they visited. On their trip to Holland she was able to find the home of the woman that took Harry Hardy into her home when he had been shot down during one of his missions. In fact, the whole tour group when to her old farm house where Harry had been kept safe from German forces. Another instance of her efforts were when they went back to a small Dutch town where 440 Sqn had been stationed for part of the war. Every morning at 5:00am when the Tiffy boys were on their way to the airfield and as they got home, there was a group of 6 Dutch girls who were each about 9 years old that would greet them everyday, without fail. So, in 2005 (if I remember correctly) when their tour guide was planning the tour she sent a photograph of the six girls to a local Dutch newspaper to see about tracking down the girls. When the Tiffy boys showed up for their tour they were greeted by five out of the 6 girls they had gotten to know during WWII.

Anyways, I could go on and on about things, but I'll stop there and explain the tour that I had organized for them.


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Our first stop was on our tour at Million Air, where Bob Jens keeps his Spitfire Mk 14 and Mosquito Mk 35. They were very excited to see both airplanes and as it was the first occassion I got to meet them, I could very quickly see the strong relationships they had with eachother. A few of them had actually been in the same Squadron and flew together many times during WWII. In fact, one had been the other's wing man on the mission he was shot down on. You can now start to picture the silly comments being tossed back and forth about that day. While walking around the two magnificent machines at Bob's place, some of the pilots mentioned that they had been on Spitfires before being selected for ops on the Typhoon. Some also recollect flying the Hurricane earlier in their air force careers. From talking with all of them I also learned that most of them had trained in the BCATP in Canada on either the Tigermoth or the Fleet Finch. They also mentioned once they got to England that they got some training on Miles Masters (of which I had never heard of). When I was asking one of the pilots about their flight training the topic got onto the Harvard and how there were actually a very high number of casualties during training, when newly graduated from the Moth or Finch pilots got to solo in the much faster and more capable Harvard. The Transition from a slow biplane straight into a Harvard gave some pilots the temptation to do silly/risky things like fly too low and/or under bridges; quite often with tragic endings.

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After leaving Million Air, we had about an hour to kill before the restaurant where we were having lunch was to open. We ended up going to Aviation World. It's an aviation supplies and book store, but also has model airplanes, mahogany models, t-shirts, and other aviation trinkets. We had arrived at the store a few minutes before it opened so we were forced to wait outside until an employee came and let us in. Being quite a windy day, when the employee opened the door for us it flung open very quickly. He remarked “Boy it’s like a TYPHOON out here,” and after he said that everyone started to laugh and I piped up, “It’s funny that you would say that, because these guys are all WWII Typhoon pilots!” He had a chuckle and let us in. One of the Tiffy guys went and found a few books on the Typhoon and low and behold, there were pictures of two of the guys from our group in one of the books. The Manager of the store was very excited to have our group in the store and asked if he could get a picture of the group to frame and hang on the wall. He also got them to all sign a book about the Typhoon.

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Our next stop was having an early lunch at the Flying Beaver Bar and Grill. It's a wonderful restaurant in the Harbour Air terminal right on the Fraser River where countless DHC-2 Beavers, Twin Otters, Turbo-Otters, Cessna 180's, and Caravans operate from. I had run ahead to make sure that there would be enough tables for our group and mentioned to the waiter that I was bringing in a group of WWII pilots and he told me that he was born and raised in London, England during the war and that when he was little he could remember watching the allied fighters flying around where he lived. He expressed a great appreciation for our group members and we were treated very well. (I gotta hang out with these guys more often!!) We all had fantastic meals, great conversations, and a few pints of Ale. At my table was the woman who had recently lost her husband, and two pilots who had both been taken prisoner during the war and put into POW camps. It was very interesting to learn about their attitudes toward the enemy while they fought, while they were in the camps, and how they were treated by their captors in the camps. I hung on every word they said. I hate how my memory, even at my age, is very bad, so I wish I had tape recorded everything they said. The woman I sat across from told me all about her time in the RCAF as a decoder in the Canadian Maritimes. She explained to me about how every morning they were sent a new code key in order to understand the day’s messages. She told me about one time when she had decoded a message sent from an anti-submarine aircraft after it had sunk a U-boat. That must have been very exciting to decode!


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After the Flying Beaver we headed to Cara Food Services, which is the company that makes all the meals that the airlines take on board their flights departing Vancouver. Rules at Cara prohibited photos from being taken while on the tour, but the tour did include some wonderful white lab coats, hair nets, and beard nets to wear. A couple of the pilots found the tour of Cara quite silly and ridiculous and they didn't know why there were there, and they playfully bugged me for having organized it. After all the razzing, they told me that they did in fact find it quite interesting.

Here's a picture of the gang!...

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Once we left Cara we headed to the British Columbia Institute of Technology (BCIT) Aerospace Campus. It is a first rate school that specializes in airframe maintenance, engines (piston/turbine), but it also includes a pilot training program (Operated out of Boundary Bay Airport), airport management program, and a brand new air traffic control course. The school itself has been in existence for several decades, but it has only been in its current facility for about a year. The new building is state-of-the-art and cost over $67 million to build (a small amount coming from the government, and the rest being provided by private and corporate sponsors). Our group was split into two sections and my group was headed by John MacGillivray who is the school’s Administrative Manager. We was very excited to have our group visiting and when I had first contacted him about the tour he was reminded about a book he was given many years back called “Fighters of the RAF” and how the cover had a Typhoon on it. And, on the day of the tour he brought this book for the pilots all to sign. It was wonderful to watch his face as each pilot signed his book, because he was truly so grateful to have them all visit his school As it turns out, Mr. MacGillivray was a member of the same RAF squadron that one of the Tiffy guys served with, but obviously many years later. What a small world, eh? The tour itself took us through their “hub” as they called it which was the central meeting area that connected the hangar area, to the classrooms as well as the commercial office space occupied by several major aviation companies. We walked through a couple of their hands on classrooms where they were propellers, Turbine engines and all sorts of other things to play with. Then we proceeded to their large hangar floor that housed their airplanes and helicopters. The biggest member of their collection is a Boeing 737 that was donated by WestJet. As it turns out, it was WestJet’s very first 737. The plane flew its last scheduled flight into Vancouver Airport, and then two days later it was at the school having students working on it. The flight crew had even left a half-full thing of coffee in the airplane's gally.

The pictures I took show all the other airplanes they had for their students to work on. Up until a few years ago they actually had three Harvards and a Beech 18, but sold them and replaced them with three Areostars donated by the water-bombing company, Conair. Our final sight to see at the school was their brand new and as of yet, not used by students, virtual control tower simulator. The thing was big and very interesting. I can’t remember what he quoted the price tag as being, but I do remember that it was a LOT! After the tour was done we formed the Tiffy guys up for their last group photo of the day. John MacGillivray plans to take a framed copy of the photo and hand it up in the school.

This is a shot of the outside of the school. It's really a beautiful building
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So, that was the end of the tour. They were very thankful for me putting the tour together and for me accompanying them as they went. They presented me with the autobiography of Harry Hardy. I've gotten about half way through it now and I've got to say that he certainly had an exciting time flying Tiffys. From the biography I could easily see that there were good times, but there were certainly a lot of bad times. It included countless response letters to messages he had to send to families about the loss of their sons. It got me quite emotional reading some of them. Many of the letters spoke about how they new what their sons were doing was dangerous, and that many would die, but they never imagined it would happen to their sons. I should change the topic hear because I think I just made this thread quite depressing.

Sooo... The very next day the group was going to be headed out to the Canadian Museum of Flight (CMF) at Langley Airport. I had thought about how I didn't get a chance to write down the pilots' names and asked a friend at the museum if he could find a poster or limited edition print for them to sign, and then I'd pick it up and pay for it the following Saturday. I left it with him to find something that would work.

Below is what they got for me. As it turns out my museum's gift shop didn't have single picture or painting of a Typhoon, but they had a t-shirt with one on the front. They signed it, but figured that since it was an XXL shirt, and my S frame wouldn¡¦t accept it too well, that they'd do something else for me. They found a beautiful wooden model of a Typhoon. I don't know what scale, but its wingspan is about 18 inches and it stands about 6 inches high. It is slightly damaged. I need to re-attached one of the propeller blades as well as a bomb, and then re-attach the antenna. Despite the damage it¡¦s really a sight to see, especially since all the Typhoon pilots signed it for me!!! Worst thing of all was that I didn't have to pay for it. I would have been more than happy to pay for whatever they found for me, but because of the volunteering I've done for the CMF over the years, they decided to just give it to me. Does anyone know where I can get a good glass display box for it?

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I hope you all enjoyed my little (big) story about meeting this group of fantastic people. I apologize for how long this thread turned out to be. Hopefully some of you lasted long enough to be reading these words. :)
Cheers,

David


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Good job, David.

Thanks for honoring these old vets :)

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