EAA P-51 "Paul I" to tour w/"Aluminum Overcas
Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:50 am
Gotcha! I just had to get in on the April 1st shennanigans... 
Zack
Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:24 pm
you got it wrong, I heard it was the XP-51 and the P-64.
Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:36 pm
Don't forget the Duck and Mosquito!
Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:23 pm
Does Paul I fly at all anymore?
Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:35 pm
Django wrote:Does Paul I fly at all anymore?
No, but a large (very large) cash infusion would get it in the air in relatively short order.
Zack
Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:02 pm
Actually, some donors tried to donate large sums of money to the EAA to get it flying for the Gathering of Mustangs and Legends and they steadfastly refused to put it back on flying status. At this point it has been grounded for like 6 plus years and would require propellor overhaul, new hydraulic hoses, and possible an engine revbuild. Plus the paint is about 30 years old and the interior is original Cavalier red leather.
As an EAA member I was disappointed to see the EAA "sit out" the GML.
As an EAA member I was disappointed to see the EAA "sit out" the GML.
Corsair
Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:19 pm
They did the same thing with the EAA Corsair...just before the Gathering of Corsairs and Legends they decided to stop flying the Corsair. Bill Harrison tried everything that he could to come. That is why Im not a memember of the EAA any more. They want everyone else to bring warbirds to the EAA show, but they will not attend Big Reunions that only happen in a great moon. To Bad. !! what are we paying dues for, to Keep Them in the Air...??? There is no reason not to be able to have a select few on the road, other museums do. Promote Aviation, Promote History. Thats all I have to say bout that.
Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:42 pm
Hey Corsair boss, Mint, I noticed you changed your address to Texas City, Texas from Ohio. Did you move to Texas? Does this mean you are going to be involved in Texas warbirds? Any connections between you and the Loan Star Flight Museum, which is in your backyard?
Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:52 pm
Wow, I love how this has turned into an attack on EAA, which just happens to be my place of employment. I'm sorry you gave up your membership because EAA didn't fly one airplane. I honestly do not know of any other organization that gives you more for a $40 membership. Can you name one Corsairboss? Can you tell me of any other organization that has flown over 1 million kids to foster the spirit of aviation? I can't. The Young Eagles program alone is worth the 40 bucks a year. Not to mention the fact that EAA fights tooth and nail to help ensure that general aviation doesn't get rolled under the carpet.
I wasn't aware of the P-51 or Corsair situation, but I can certainly understand why the organization decided not to spend the money to get two airplanes flyable for single events. The EAA aircraft mechanics do all they can just to keep the B-17, Trimotor, and numerous biplanes flying every year. Believe it or not, EAA does not have unlimited resources. Even with a donation to get the P-51 or Corsair flying, that means something else gets neglected. Unless the donor planned on paying for more mechanics as well.
Sorry for my fiesty reply, but I am loyal to the organization that pays me to interview WWII vets for a living.
I wasn't aware of the P-51 or Corsair situation, but I can certainly understand why the organization decided not to spend the money to get two airplanes flyable for single events. The EAA aircraft mechanics do all they can just to keep the B-17, Trimotor, and numerous biplanes flying every year. Believe it or not, EAA does not have unlimited resources. Even with a donation to get the P-51 or Corsair flying, that means something else gets neglected. Unless the donor planned on paying for more mechanics as well.
Sorry for my fiesty reply, but I am loyal to the organization that pays me to interview WWII vets for a living.
Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:33 pm
I would forward these opinions to EAA/Warbirds directly.
They should know what your feelings are about participation aspects.
I completely agree, as well.
VL
They should know what your feelings are about participation aspects.
I completely agree, as well.
VL
Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:17 pm
EAA certainly hasn't! Some of the members have though. All EAA has done is foster the idea and keep track of it.Zachary wrote:Can you tell me of any other organization that has flown over 1 million kids to foster the spirit of aviation?
EAA
Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:33 am
This has not turned into a attack on the EAA, I just stated the Facts...!! Now since you feel Quilty...let me make a few things clear:
Zachary...If you work for the EAA, then do you draw a payroll check from them every week or two..?? If so... your payroll money would come from all the money collected from Memembership, EAA Sales of clothes, hats, patches, decals, coffee cups, pens, pencils, polo shirts, jackets, Grant Money, State Money, Company Money ...etc etc... I could keep going. All of this helps to run the program, from people out here sending money in there. We are all owners in one way or another in the EAA. Except they have a Board of Directors to run the program, and sometimes their idea is not the best according to some. But we all could not have a say, or it would be terrible. Someone has to be the Chief, and everyone else has to be the Indian.
I stated that the EAA decided to stop flying their Corsair right before the Gathering, they knew about the Gathering, and the Corsair was still flying, and the Corsair was going to be paid to appear. I was not asking it to show up for FREE, like what alot of the other Warbirds do every year to come to Oshkosh. They do not pay for fuel unless you are flying in the show, then they say how much. The Gathering was paying for all the Fuel , Oil, Rooms , Transportation, Food, and flat out FUN..!!! Not to Mention the History that was made and all of the 300+ WWII and Korean Pilots and Crew that Built, Flew, Maintained, and today Own a F4U Corsair. And lets not forget that Vought Paid the Bill for this Show. 'Thanks"...!!!
Believe me I have a REAL good idea of what it takes to run and maintain a warbird today. I have done it since 2002, took care of the bookings, cleaned the aircraft every weekend after a show, paid the Bills, took care of Insurance,..etc etc. Let me say it one more time, The EAA knew about the Gathering, and I wish they would have put a little more consideration into an event that was taking place "other than Their Own" and showing invovlement 1 more time before they decided to put the bird inside for a long time. The Corsair was donated to them, they did not buy it. Just like alot of other aircraft and artifacts that they house in the Museum. The EAA has done nice things for General Aviation and handling some of the problems with the FAA, so has AOPA. Thank You.
The Mustang Gathering, I can not speak for as to how they handled their sponsorship or paying anyone to come to help cover expenses. I know alot of Owners and Museums went because they wanted to, and Im sure that the People that put together the Mustang Gathering would have liked to have seen the EAA's Mustang there as well, as a few others that did not show.
It is getting very expensive to fly and maintain the warbirds today, and Owners, Museums, Investors, Board Memembers have to decide what to fly and for how long. I never picked on the EAA, I was just disappointed in their Non-Involvement.
BDK...Thank You.. the memembers and Non memembers have flown those kids, I have...!!! The EAA did not refund me any money for fuel, or time on the Hobbs meter to run a Stearman, or T-34.
Vlado...Thank You as well. !!! I have let them know of my opion at the time, with no answer back. I had talked with Bill Harrison several times and he tried to help get the Corsair there. He wanted to be part of the Event.
And on a closing, you talked of being paid to interview WWII Vets, I paid to have a 8 Hour DVD made of the Gathering, and the F4U Corsair People we talked to while making that DVD was paid for by Me, and 2 other people that are Co-Owners in the Corsair Experience. We have the Masters with over 25 hours of interviews that are now "Locked Up" in the National Archives. I am a F4U Corsair Historian.
Have a Nice Day, and No One Turned this into an Attack on the EAA, I am just Disappointed, and I would say there are a few if not several more people out there just as upset with things the EAA has done. You can give Everyone a Gold Bar, and someone will say They wanted "Silver"
Zachary...If you work for the EAA, then do you draw a payroll check from them every week or two..?? If so... your payroll money would come from all the money collected from Memembership, EAA Sales of clothes, hats, patches, decals, coffee cups, pens, pencils, polo shirts, jackets, Grant Money, State Money, Company Money ...etc etc... I could keep going. All of this helps to run the program, from people out here sending money in there. We are all owners in one way or another in the EAA. Except they have a Board of Directors to run the program, and sometimes their idea is not the best according to some. But we all could not have a say, or it would be terrible. Someone has to be the Chief, and everyone else has to be the Indian.
I stated that the EAA decided to stop flying their Corsair right before the Gathering, they knew about the Gathering, and the Corsair was still flying, and the Corsair was going to be paid to appear. I was not asking it to show up for FREE, like what alot of the other Warbirds do every year to come to Oshkosh. They do not pay for fuel unless you are flying in the show, then they say how much. The Gathering was paying for all the Fuel , Oil, Rooms , Transportation, Food, and flat out FUN..!!! Not to Mention the History that was made and all of the 300+ WWII and Korean Pilots and Crew that Built, Flew, Maintained, and today Own a F4U Corsair. And lets not forget that Vought Paid the Bill for this Show. 'Thanks"...!!!
Believe me I have a REAL good idea of what it takes to run and maintain a warbird today. I have done it since 2002, took care of the bookings, cleaned the aircraft every weekend after a show, paid the Bills, took care of Insurance,..etc etc. Let me say it one more time, The EAA knew about the Gathering, and I wish they would have put a little more consideration into an event that was taking place "other than Their Own" and showing invovlement 1 more time before they decided to put the bird inside for a long time. The Corsair was donated to them, they did not buy it. Just like alot of other aircraft and artifacts that they house in the Museum. The EAA has done nice things for General Aviation and handling some of the problems with the FAA, so has AOPA. Thank You.
The Mustang Gathering, I can not speak for as to how they handled their sponsorship or paying anyone to come to help cover expenses. I know alot of Owners and Museums went because they wanted to, and Im sure that the People that put together the Mustang Gathering would have liked to have seen the EAA's Mustang there as well, as a few others that did not show.
It is getting very expensive to fly and maintain the warbirds today, and Owners, Museums, Investors, Board Memembers have to decide what to fly and for how long. I never picked on the EAA, I was just disappointed in their Non-Involvement.
BDK...Thank You.. the memembers and Non memembers have flown those kids, I have...!!! The EAA did not refund me any money for fuel, or time on the Hobbs meter to run a Stearman, or T-34.
Vlado...Thank You as well. !!! I have let them know of my opion at the time, with no answer back. I had talked with Bill Harrison several times and he tried to help get the Corsair there. He wanted to be part of the Event.
And on a closing, you talked of being paid to interview WWII Vets, I paid to have a 8 Hour DVD made of the Gathering, and the F4U Corsair People we talked to while making that DVD was paid for by Me, and 2 other people that are Co-Owners in the Corsair Experience. We have the Masters with over 25 hours of interviews that are now "Locked Up" in the National Archives. I am a F4U Corsair Historian.
Have a Nice Day, and No One Turned this into an Attack on the EAA, I am just Disappointed, and I would say there are a few if not several more people out there just as upset with things the EAA has done. You can give Everyone a Gold Bar, and someone will say They wanted "Silver"
Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:56 am
EAA/Warbirds was represented at the Mustang Gathering by Rick Sigfried who brought his T-6 and a tent with flyers to hand out (He was stationed near the tent with the girls........hmmm?). He did this all out of pocket. I was a little surprised and disappointed that such a big (non-CAF,CWH, etc.) event was not supported by the EAA. Being a life member since 1972, I thought they would/should have officially been there. Such a big organization and one guy shows up out of pocket to promote the organization seemed a little lacking.
VL
VL
Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:01 am
Ok Corsairboss, you have driven your point home, home, home, home, home (just kidding about multiple posts).
Regarding Young Eagles, I would disagree with you about who flew the kids. EAA IS the membership, and the membership flew the kids. However, had EAA HQs not been driving the goal, I seriously doubt individual pilots would have flown 10, 20, 50, 250 kids each year since 1992 on their own initiative. Maybe they would, but I doubt it. I do thank you for having flown kids yourself - it makes a BIG impression on a young person...a BIG impression!
Regarding my paycheck, it comes from the people that have supported the oral history program that I run - both members and non-members, so I'm in somewhat of a unique situation here in Oshkosh b'gosh. You say you paid for a DVD to be made of the Corsair Gathering - I can tell you I have put a lot of my own money into this program as well, along with more than a few unpaid hours because I think it's that important to get these memories preserved before they are gone. I heartily back anyone that's doing the same.
Regarding EAA not flying the Corsair - all I can say was I wasn't with the organization at the time and was not privy to that decision. I can say that with the way donations work here, it may very well have been an insurance issue. I'll see if I can't snoop out some more info. Honestly though, did the fact that one Corsair did not attend make a difference in the significance of the event?
And lastly, I apologize for coming off as overly defensive - I sometimes feel EAA gets hammered sometimes and doesn't deserve it. Other times we do.
Zack
Regarding Young Eagles, I would disagree with you about who flew the kids. EAA IS the membership, and the membership flew the kids. However, had EAA HQs not been driving the goal, I seriously doubt individual pilots would have flown 10, 20, 50, 250 kids each year since 1992 on their own initiative. Maybe they would, but I doubt it. I do thank you for having flown kids yourself - it makes a BIG impression on a young person...a BIG impression!
Regarding my paycheck, it comes from the people that have supported the oral history program that I run - both members and non-members, so I'm in somewhat of a unique situation here in Oshkosh b'gosh. You say you paid for a DVD to be made of the Corsair Gathering - I can tell you I have put a lot of my own money into this program as well, along with more than a few unpaid hours because I think it's that important to get these memories preserved before they are gone. I heartily back anyone that's doing the same.
Regarding EAA not flying the Corsair - all I can say was I wasn't with the organization at the time and was not privy to that decision. I can say that with the way donations work here, it may very well have been an insurance issue. I'll see if I can't snoop out some more info. Honestly though, did the fact that one Corsair did not attend make a difference in the significance of the event?
And lastly, I apologize for coming off as overly defensive - I sometimes feel EAA gets hammered sometimes and doesn't deserve it. Other times we do.
Zack
Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:07 am
vlado wrote:EAA/Warbirds was represented at the Mustang Gathering by Rick Sigfried who brought his T-6 and a tent with flyers to hand out (He was stationed near the tent with the girls........hmmm?). He did this all out of pocket. I was a little surprised and disappointed that such a big (non-CAF,CWH, etc.) event was not supported by the EAA. Being a life member since 1972, I thought they would/should have officially been there. Such a big organization and one guy shows up out of pocket to promote the organization seemed a little lacking.
VL
EAA was there - Bill Fisher, Executive Director of Warbirds was there promoting EAA, Adam Smith, Vice-President of Membership was there promoting EAA, I was there (but not allowed to record interviews - totally understandable), staff photographer Brady Lane was there, EAA Board Member Fred Telling brought his Mustang - believe me, EAA was there. Why we didn't have a booth I can't say - that's a question for Adam.
Zack