Bf109 post war

Mgawa · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:43 am

Did any of you ever seen an image of the Messerschmitt Bf109 in some of post war service... like Arab or South American nations?

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:48 pm

the israelis used spanish made avias, which was a license version of the 109 type. they didnot perform well overall, but some israelis achieved some victories in them during their war for independence.

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:48 pm

Do you mean like the Ceczh's, the Spanish and in Israel?
Jerry

bilwor · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:49 pm

Try looking at these sites
bill word

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreig ... oreign.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-Israel.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-swiss.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-japan.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreig ... slavia.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-czech.htm

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:59 pm

I don't know the data of finnish ME's but here's photo
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17457&highlight=finnish+me109

DoraNineFan · **Joined:** Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm **Posts:** 677

Here is a modeling feature article on a post-war Finnish model specially painted for a pylon-style air race during a summer air festival in 1950. (I'm surprised that "stock" Me-109s were still operated that late after the war.)

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bf109g624racercs_1.htm

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2668

Lots of Finnish Bf 109 info. here. Also click on "FAF Aircraft in Color"

http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html

Regards,
Mike

Steve T · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:13 pm

Hi--

The Israeli "109s" were the Czech (not Spanish) Avia S.199 variant, exported under the "C.210" trainer designation to cloud things during a period of embargo. The S.199, which the Czechs themselves also operated for a while, was something of a marriage of convenience, being the basic Bf109G airframe, but fitted with the heavier, slower-turning Jumo engine more properly belonging on a Heinkel 111 or similar. It was a handful. The Czechs nicknamed their S.199s "Mezec" ("Mule"...which hints at the joys of flying one!). I've always thought it delightfully ironic that Israel's first fighter was a variant of the Luftwaffe's iconic Bf109...

Spain, on the other hand, built plenty of 109-type fighters too; again based on the G version, there were the HA1109K and HA1112K with the Hispano-Suiza 12Y upright V12, and the one we all know because its exceptionally long career meant numerous examples were extant to star in the 1969 film "Battle Of Britain" and then become Warbirds, the Merlin-engined HA1112M "Buchon" ("Pouter Pigeon"). The last of these were still in service as light strike aircraft in the early sixties (alongside CASA 2-111 bombers--Merlin-engined Heinkel 111s).

As has been mentioned, the Finns operated German 109Gs ("Mersu") into the fifties. Happily at least a couple of each of these groups of 109s survive today (and of course much more than a couple Buchons)...

S.

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:35 am

Thank you very much for your valuable input. Finland is one of my favorite operator of this airplane and I am glad to see that our icon Jack Cook have one image in his collection.

Long time ago I think I have seen an profile of the someSouth American operator with overal blue plane, like test airplane before war.

I have made this profile and plan to do more

PeterA · **Posted:** Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:49 am

Here are a couple of shots of Avia 109's that I took at Kbely near Prague in June 1993.

PeterA

JDK · **Posted:** Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:14 am

Mgawa wrote:

Long time ago I think I have seen an profile of the someSouth American operator with overal blue plane, like test airplane before war.

News to me, and sounds unlikely. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but unlike the other well documented postwar users discussed above, I can't see how one would end up usable in S America. Does anyone know more?

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:18 am

I remember that I was young and I was visiting my family in Germany. My brother have many aviation books and in one of them presented color profile which still confuse me. Not sure that this is corect at all all but who knows.

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

Mgawa,

As far as I can tell from all my readings and research on Latin American aviation, no Bf-109s made it to South America. There were a few Fw-44s, Fw-58, and Me-108s, but alas, no 109s.

If you find the publication you mention, please post the information here; I would very much like to find out if there are other research avenues to be pursued on this.

Saludos,

Tulio

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2668

Mgawa wrote:

Long time ago I think I have seen an profile of the someSouth American operator with overal blue plane, like test airplane before war.

Didn't the Spanish have an all blue paint scheme at one time?

Not sure if this is accurate or not?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain--- ... =&next_id=

Regards,
Mike

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:44 am

Mike- yes I have seen something like this!!! So maybe the credit was wrong. So this is it.

Tulio- I truly agree with you and that's why I am glad that you have research the field and give finasl words to this.

Thank you all

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