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 Post subject: The Phantom P-38
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:51 pm 
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For entertainment purposes only :wink:

http://www.p-38online.com/phantom.html

One of the more interesting stories in the MTO was of the phantom P-38, which was causing trouble for many crippled bombers. Beginning on June 4, 1943, a crippled bomber was coming back from a mission against the island of Pantelleria. The crew was considering bailing out of their bomber when they spotted a P-38 coming closer. They immediately relaxed knowing it was coming to their aid. The crew continued to dump extra weight from the aircraft, including the guns and ammunition. Before the crew realized what happened, the P-38 erupted in gunfire and destroyed the B-17. The only survivor was the pilot, Lt. Harold Fisher. Fisher was rescued and was the target of fury from the fighter pilots by suggesting it was a friendly P-38 that shot them down.

Several weeks before Lt. Fisher's ordeal, a P-38 pilot was low on fuel and was lost. He actually made an emergency landing just outside of Sardinia. The pilot was captured before he was able to destroy his aircraft. Italian pilot, Lt. Guido Rossi came up with the idea of using this P-38 against the American bombers. Rossi's strategy was to wait until the bombers made their attacks. Rossi would then take off and scout around for stragglers. He actually used this technique to shoot down several bombers. Until Lt. Fisher, no other crews survived to tell of the P-38 shooting them down. The American commanders were under the assumption that these missing bombers just did not make it back just as many before them. Nobody thought a friendly aircraft was the cause.

After Fisher told his story, bombers crews were alerted to look for a lone P-38, which was posing as a friendly. Fisher came up with the idea of using a decoy B-17 to attract Rossi. Fisher's idea was approved and he took off in the experimental YB-40 gunship. This was simply a modified B-17, which had more armor and guns. He flew several missions lagging behind the rest of the formations, but never encountered Rossi. Intelligence was being gathered and the Allies finally learned the identity of the pilot. They also learned that his wife was living in Allied occupied Constantine. An artist actually used a picture of his wife to paint a nose art picture on Fisher's bomber, and included her name, Gina. On August 31, a B-17 raid struck Pisa. Fisher was flying among the bombers, and was actually damaged by enemy fighters. He recovered at a low altitude and had to feather two engines. Before lone, a lone P-38 was approaching and the crew was on high alert. Rossi, using very good English, contacted Fisher, just as he did on previous occasions. Rossi immediately noticed the nose art on the aircraft and spoke with Fisher. Fisher was still uncertain the pilot was Rossi and was chatting with Rossi normally. Fisher decided to bait this pilot to see if it was Rossi or not, and began talking about Gine and her location in Constantine. When Fisher was describing intimate details of their "relationship", Rossi lost his cool. He peeled off and began his attack. Fisher ordered all guns to open up on this P-38, and Rossi had to peel off trailing smoke. Rossi intended to ram the bomber, but began breaking up and could not maintain flight. He was able to ditch in the water and survived. Rossi was later picked up and taken prisoner. Fisher was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross medal for his efforts. Fisher would survive the war, but was killed in a transport accident during the Berlin Airlift. Incidentally, Rossi was one of the mourners at his funeral.


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Martin Caidin strikes again!! :wink:

This story is a fabrication. Scroll down at the following.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviati ... -8184.html

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Hey and I heard that Big foot was a Tail gunner on that Bomber and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy were both taking credit on the Kill but Santa over ruled them giving the Kill to the Lepercon ! However the Great Pumpkin never could confirm the Kill . Makes for a great story though ! :wink:

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Anybody hear the story of the 8th AF's mad gunner???
He was delusional and fired on and possibly downed a
number of friendly a/c. When he realized what he had done
he been very despondant and when his B-17 was hit he refused
to bail out and went down with the a/c. A true story :!:

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Glen wrote:
However the Great Pumpkin never could confirm the Kill . Makes for a great story though ! :wink:


Glen,

Caidin always claimed that he interviewed the Great Pumpkin personally over beers...problem was Pumpkin was already half-smashed.

(Grabbing tin hat and heading for trench...)

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 Post subject: Myth? Maybe
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Without taking any side to this discussion, I would like to bring up a couple of points.

First though, I have a background in Investigations, with a firm grasp on the difference between evidence and proof.

Second; just because something is wild and improbable does not make it impossible.

I went to the web site where the story supposedly is debunked, and really found no Proof that it was not true. Just evidence that it was not a mission flown by the 92.

I found mostly the same story in Pete Bowers "Fortress in the Sky". I did not have quite the same details and embleshments, and could have been tainted or "inspired" by the Caiden story.

Still there is some extra detail not found on the version on this board. Specifically it mentions that two YB-40s were left in England after the end of the experiment. And; that two combat missions were flown after the deployment with the 92nd. One was to shoot down a German manned B-17 ( also in American markings- Note the Germans most certainly used captured equipment in its original markings; ala kg200, and the ground equipment for the Battle of the Bulge), the second was the Italian mission.

Mr Bowers is a highly respected Author, and generally considered credible.

I would think that to disprove this story you would have to pull the record cards on all the YB40s and establish, first if any were left in England after thier use by the 92nd and go from there.

Next you guys will be telling me that the SOCOM "Mule Bomber" didn't exist!!

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This may be how the story started,

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... i_n9454071

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti

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