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6trn4brn · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:58 am

Marvelous job to all involved with getting the Vulcan in the air!

As far as moving the one here in the states to Dayton, why? IF it was restored to ferriable condition and actually flown there, all that money would be wasted as the first thing they would do was to "de-mil" it :evil:

Would love to see XH558 brought here for various airshows, just don't get it anywhere near Dayton!!! Figure there would be some reason for our gubmint to declare it a possible terror weapon and the need to turn it into beer cans

Beautiful job fellas...very well done :prayer:

JDK · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:04 am

6trn4brn wrote:

As far as moving the one here in the states to Dayton, why?

Not going to happen. Dayton only have their Allies' aircraft in US colo(u)rs (not possible here) or enemy aircraft (also not possible). Unless it's given a Red Coat and a George III crest or SAC markings... :twisted:

6trn4brn · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:28 am

James...I really hope you are right! I would much prefer seeing the one here in the states brought to flying condition rather than to see it sit and collect dust!

As far as enemy aircraft painted as such at the NMUSAF...if our glorious leader were to declare England an enemy due to their pulling out of Iraq, the remote chance of seeing the Vulcan at the museum is there :roll:

RickH · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:28 am

Once again, MustangDriver throws an unsubstantiated bomb and steps back to see what happens. :roll:

Having said that, previous actions have shown that all of the reasons thrown out as to why a Vulcan couldn't go to Dayton are moot. If the General decides he wants it, he will take it , ...period. :shock:

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:38 am

Firebird wrote:

Interesting........but, maybe not such an easy undertaking as when they were in RAF service, as she's now restricted to VFR flight and with say a ceiling of maybe FL010, because supposidly, she's only got something like 3 or so cabin pressurisation cycles left in her. Something to do with the canopy seals or something and they cannot be replaced. So, a transatlantic hop isn't going to be as easy as it would be otherwise.

Don't have to pressurize for flight. As long as they stay under FL200 and use supplimental oxygen, she'll be fine and they won't use up any cycles. They'll already be wearing oxygen masks for flight for safety reasons, so it's not a big stretch as long as the weather is favorable.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:39 am

Umm What the hell are you guys talking about? We have a CF-100 and a good deal of aircraft not from our country. The reason that some of the aircraft are painted in us marking like a Spit and Hurricane is to tell the little known story of the Americans that flew these machines. Pssst. It is the National Museum of the USAF. That is why there are a bunch of Air Force planes in it. You guys are getting a little out of hand with bashing the largest aviation museum there is.

JDK · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:47 am

mustangdriver wrote:

Umm What the heck are you guys talking about? We have a CF-100 and a good deal of aircraft not from our country. The reason that some of the aircraft are painted in us marking like a Spit and Hurricane is to tell the little known story of the Americans that flew these machines. Pssst. It is the National Museum of the USAF. That is why there are a bunch of Air Force planes in it. You guys are getting a little out of hand with bashing the largest aviation museum there is.

I can't speak for 'the other guys, but personally I was just poking a little fun, with a point behind it.

So it's the NMUSAF& a Canuck with Enemies Inc?

BTW, size doesn't = quality.

Broken-Wrench · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:37 pm **Posts:** 1197

EDowning wrote:

If I could get myself one of those Vulcans to fly I could fly the Skyraider all I want under my "Theory of Aviation Relativity". Wow, I could probably even sell my MG.

Yes, it's my MG Midget, that serves a very important purpose. I use it to reinforce "my theroy of aviation relativity", 10 years ago, when I bought my Bonanza, I thought it was brutually expensive to operate, then I bought the Yale and the T-6 and I realized that the Bonanza was nearly free to operate, so I bought the Skyraider and suddenly I could fly the Yale and the T-6 all I wanted because the were realitivly free to operate compared to the Skyraider. So, you see, if I didn't own the MG, I could never afford to fly the Spad. A Vulcan would solve all of my cost issues with the rest of the warbirds.

Isn't that the truth!

RickH · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:57 am

James, don't think I would bash NMUSAF on quality. There are other areas that are fair game where they are concerned but the quality of the collection definitely isn't one of their problems.

JDK · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:02 am

RickH wrote:

James, don't think I would bash NMUSAF on quality.

I've never done so. Big is just big. It doesn't have anything else to add.

Eeep - It was just a joke!

6trn4brn · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:03 am

Mustangdriver...I think the point we are trying to make is that we don't want to see something as lovely as a flying Vulcan relegated to just another museum piece (or worse).

I see both sides of the argument when it comes to what to do with a particular aircraft. If it is something that is incredibly rare, then by all means, put it in a safe place like a museum to be forever looked upon with awe. However, if the money, time and effort goes into making an aircraft airworthy (Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby et al) it seems such a shame for it to be sitting and looking all sad and lonely because it is not in the air where it belongs!

I think that a lot of aviation enthusiasts despise the heavy-handed policy by the NMUSAF of de-milling an aircraft that a group has the means to make airworthy (the CF F-105 comes immediately to mind!). I think that if the General were to be a bit more open to the idea of letting private groups restore such aircraft to airworthiness, the NMUSAF might be put in a better light (pun intended).

Now, having strayed way far off of the original title to this post, it is simply marvelous that a group of people can be so focused as to bring a Vulcan all the way back to flying condition...hope to see it flying here in the states next year

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:44 am

I don't mean to take this great Vulcan out of the air. I hope to see this thing at Oshkosh. I just meant the one on static outdoors. We are all good. As far as shoo shoo baby goes, it is aone of only three combat veteran B-17's making it pretty rare.

Second Air Force · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:57 am

Congratulations to all that made the first flight possible--there are few things more impressive than a Vulcan in it's natural element. We were fortunate to see the Vulcan Demo a number of times at Offutt AFB back in the seventies and early eighties, and the sound and turning radius left a lasting impression!

Keep up the good work and enjoy the achievement.

Scott

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:58 am

So is it me, or does it make a very wild sound?

Second Air Force · **Posted:** Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:53 am

Mustangdriver,

"Wild sound" is a pretty good description to me. During the displays we watched, those Olympus engines darned near made your ears bleed.

I can't imagine how loud a Concorde was--supposedly louder than a Vulcan at takeoff, but the Vulcan definitely impressed me. The folks who lived around Offutt must have thought the world was coming to an end during the turning maneuvers the RAF crew performed. Great stuff!!!

Scott

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