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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:41 pm 
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It air for the stowaway.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Whatever that little tank is, it sure don't look "stock". I can't believe it left On Mark with those hose clamps on it. It also appears to have only one line attached to it???????? If that's the case, seems to me it can't be but so many things.

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Air supply for the stowaway... hummm? Well, we don't fly high enuff for that to be needed. Nerve Gas... well, that certainly has possibilites, but sure wouldn't be much?? So maybe somebody else will figure it out. No luck so far. But yeah, Randy, it sure doesn't look like something OnMark or the AF would have done. Will just have to trace it out and see what it is connected to... trouble is, I am stuck in NJ until Friday a week. JR


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.............. I am stuck in NJ until Friday a week.

Is that the best place you could find to be stuck in?

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Relief tube back-up reservoir?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:33 pm 
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NImrodA26 wrote:
.............. I am stuck in NJ until Friday a week.

Is that the best place you could find to be stuck in?

Unfortunately, this place has the only simulator in the world that I need for recurrent training, so the answer is yes. :-) This must be how it feels to be married!! :-) JR


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Relief tube back-up reservoir?

OMG, I had one of the rookies loosen the line to test what kind of fluid came out. I hope he didn't taste it. Won't be able to go back to the hangar if this is the case. This better not be the right answer!!! :-) But, just between me and you, that would be very funny when I think about it!!! With devilish glee.... JR in NJ


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Blow down bottle or accumulator for hyd or bomb doors?
Where in NJ? Were 40 miles west of NJ and Philly.

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hmmm..emergency air for brakes? but only in one wheel well so probably not! the bottle mount looks interesting. where does the line go from the bottle?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:03 am 
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Blow down bottle or accumulator for hyd or bomb doors?
Where in NJ? Were 40 miles west of NJ and Philly.

That would be beautiful downtown Whippany where I just experienced a brief interlude with the hotel fire alarm going off for 30 minutes at 3 freakin oclock in the morning. Turned out a false alarm, but it took forever to figure that out and let us go back into the rooms. Did discover that some poor sap left his lights on in his car. They were just starting to get very weak. Maybe he will see it and go turn them off before the battery is totally gone. Told the front desk, but whoever it was must not have come down for the fire drill. Tomorrow's class should be fun. I should remove all sharp objects from the desk as a proper precaution. That's my story and I am stickin to it!! JR


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Dewayne Doud wrote:
hmmm..emergency air for brakes? but only in one wheel well so probably not! the bottle mount looks interesting. where does the line go from the bottle?
Dewayne

Dewayne, haven't gotten report back from the guys who were going to figure that out, but it looks way too small for supplying anything for very long. I am suspicious it was a work around for something else that broke at one time or another. The hydraulic accumulator was bypassed and apparently a homemade rig was installed by the Lynch's at some time. It works good, but it is not as originally intended. We have acquired the parts to make it go back to original. It is literally a mystery for now......kinda like that freakin fire alarm in the hotel. Going back to bed now. JR


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Could that little tank have been installed to prevent the effect described below???????? I have also witnessed the effects of this on some air lines, although not on aircraft.

"Surge or water hammer, as it is commonly known is the result of a sudden change in liquid velocity. Water hammer usually occurs when a transfer system is quickly started, stopped or is forced to make a rapid change in direction. Any of these events can lead to catastrophic system component failure. Without question, the primary cause of water hammer in process applications is the quick closing valve, whether manual or automatic. A valve closing in 1.5 sec. or less depending upon valve size and system conditions, causes an abrupt stoppage of flow. The pressure spike(acoustic wave)created at rapid valve closure can be high as five(5) times the system working pressure. Unrestricted, this pressure spike or wave will rapidly accelerate to the speed of sound in liquid, which can exceed 4000 ft/sec."

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NImrodA26 wrote:
Could that little tank have been installed to prevent the effect described below???????? I have also witnessed the effects of this on some air lines, although not on aircraft.

"Surge or water hammer, as it is commonly known is the result of a sudden change in liquid velocity. Water hammer usually occurs when a transfer system is quickly started, stopped or is forced to make a rapid change in direction. Any of these events can lead to catastrophic system component failure. Without question, the primary cause of water hammer in process applications is the quick closing valve, whether manual or automatic. A valve closing in 1.5 sec. or less depending upon valve size and system conditions, causes an abrupt stoppage of flow. The pressure spike(acoustic wave)created at rapid valve closure can be high as five(5) times the system working pressure. Unrestricted, this pressure spike or wave will rapidly accelerate to the speed of sound in liquid, which can exceed 4000 ft/sec."

Well, Randy, I am not sure how this applies to this airplane system, but I can speak to "surge" experiences for certain. I made the mistake of eating at a restaurant here that shall remain nameless, but which I greatly hold suspect in causing me to experience said "surge". I did make a rapid change in direction as the fire alarm was sounding in the hotel last night. Instead of completing my escape to safety, I diverted to the men's room where indeed, the rapid valve closure did cause some acoustic sound waves of the most unpleasant variety. They reminded me of my last colonoscopy prep where I expected to have lift off at any second. I can attest that the speed of sound thru a liquid is 4 x that thru plain ol air. There was an awesome acceleration and only through my death grip on the stool did I avoid launching to the moon. Do you suppose it had to do with my small valve size? Well, I am not much of an engineer, but the doc told me he did not find any evidence of my head up there nor did he see any signs of Amelia E. I asked him for a note stating the former for my boss. I plan to use it next time he starts making comments about my general demeanor. So gosh, somehow I got lost in all this??? What was the question?? :-) JR


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For those who doubted that 679 actually has flown recently, this is a shot taken by the Billings Gazette of the take off from Billings to Denver. They guys stopped there for fuel and oil before continuing to Denton for the paint stripping. Then it came to FTW in January 2010. So yes, she will fly again, but like all Princesses, she must finish her makeover before appearing in the air before the public. JR


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Good morning and greetings from New Jersey...again. No fire alarm drills last night in the hotel. Yea!! Looks like it is going to be a great day to sit in class and try to keep my head from hitting the desk. Would rather be working on K so here is a big shout out to the guys working on her this morning. And another thanks to all of our viewers who have shown enough interest in this thread to help us go over 44,000 now. Only one more week until Spring Fling. Come on out and see what we are doing with 679 and all of our other airplanes. The numbers keep going up of the people who are planning to display vintage aircraft, cars, bikes, WWII vehicles, aviation art..... good times, food and fun for the whole family. Saturday, 31st from 9 am to 6 pm. Help us keep our airplanes flying!! Check out our website for details and call or email Dana to book a ride on the DC3, T6, Travelair, or helicopters. http://www.gga1.org Be sure to look at the Facebook page too for pictures and more information. This will be something Meacham Field has not had in a long time so this is history in the making. Don't miss out!! JR


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