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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:50 am 
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Air Force Regulation AFR 126-7 “Historic Preservation.”

12. Downed aircraft. Aircraft that crashed before 19 November 1961, when a fire destroyed the pertinent Air Force records, and that remain wholly or partially unrecovered, are considered formally abandoned. The Air Force neither maintains title to, nor has property interest in, these aircraft. The authority for access to, and recovery of, these aircraft, as well as liability for damages associated with their recovery, are matters to be resolved between persons seeking recovery and landowners of the wreckage sites.

Yes this is still in effect. A lot less paperwork than what is required for naval aircraft! :drink3: :drink3:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:09 pm 
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Here's something for anyone looking for guidance on USCG ship wrecks and aircraft. If you're not a nautical type, disregard the ship related stuff. There are some great sources in here for future reference that likely apply to the other services aircraft.

http://www.uscg.mil/history/faqs/USCG_S ... Policy.asp

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The following are commonly asked questions concerning Coast Guard ship and aircraft wrecks.

Who owns U.S. Coast Guard ship and aircraft wrecks?

The United States of America holds legal title to the wreck. The U.S. Coast Guard is the Federal agency that retains custody for the wrecks unless specific, formal action is taken to dispose of them. The administrative act of striking an aircraft or ship from the active list does not constitute disposal. Even aircraft and ship wrecks that are stricken from the active list remain the property of the United States until such time affirmative action is taken to dispose of these properties in accordance with law. Coast Guard vessels sold to commercial businesses or private citizens are no longer U.S. Government property. Vessels and aircraft sunk as artificial reefs have been transferred to other agencies; the Coast Guard does not own or manage these ships or aircraft.


What do I do if I want to dive on Coast Guard ship or aircraft wrecks?

Divers may dive on Coast Guard ship and aircraft wrecks at their own risk. However, federal property law dictates that no portion of a government wreck may be disturbed or removed. Unauthorized removal of any property from a U.S. Coast Guard wreck is illegal. Sections of the U.S. Code have been successfully applied in prosecuting individuals who violate Coast Guard wreck sites. Coast Guard wrecks may contain unexploded ordnance and other hazards and should be approached with the utmost caution. The Coast Guard strongly encourages cooperation with other agencies and individuals interested in preserving our maritime and aviation heritage. The diving public is encouraged to report the location of underwater ship and aircraft wreck sites to the Coast Guard Historian Office. Documentation of these wreck locations allows the Coast Guard to evaluate and preserve important sites for the future.


What if I witness another diver removing parts from a Coast Guard wreck?

If you witness the theft of material from a Coast Guard wreck, report it to the U.S. Coast Guard and to your State Historic Preservation Officer or State Underwater Archaeologist. Vandalism of U.S. Government property is not only illegal but inconsiderate to other divers. If theft or destruction is unreported, underwater sites will soon be destroyed and unavailable for future use.


What if I want to recover a Coast Guard-owned wreck?

Recovery of historic ship, aircraft wreck or associated components will be considered only for educational or scientific purposes. It is unlikely the Coast Guard will recommend the disposal and sale of historic ship or aircraft wrecks. The Coast Guard is currently working on an official policy in this regard, which will likely follow the U.S. Navy’s policy. It has been Navy policy not to dispose of historic ship and aircraft wrecks for the following reasons:
•Congress has mandated through the NHPA that Federal Agencies make every effort to preserve their historic cultural resources.
•The remains of crew members, if any, deserve respect and should remain undisturbed unless proper retrieval and burial become necessary.
•There is a possibility that live explosives or ordnance may still be on board.
•Arbitrary disposal and sale of wrecks may foster commercial exploitation of cultural resources.
•Abandonment of wrecks will deplete a finite inventory of significant cultural resources.

Under no circumstances should salvage of Coast Guard ship or aircraft wrecks be undertaken without prior and specific written approval by the Coast Guard Historian's Office!


Can I penetrate a Coast Guard ship or aircraft wreck?

No, the Sunken Military Craft Act, Pub.L. 108-375, Div. A, Title XIV, Sections 1401 to 1408, Oct. 28, 2004, 118 Stat. 2094, provides that no person may engage in or attempt to engage in any activity directed at a sunken military craft that disturbs, removes, or injures any sunken military craft except as otherwise authorized by law. Further, no person may possess, disturb, remove, or injure any sunken military craft in violation of this Act or any prohibition, rule, regulation, ordinance, or permit that applies under any other applicable law.

Justification:

Throughout history, warships and other craft in the service of the government have been accorded special protection under the concept of sovereign immunity, which exempts a warship or other governmental vessel in noncommercial service from the jurisdiction of any other state. In the modern era, this doctrine has been accepted as customary law by the courts in most jurisdictions as well as having been memorialized in articles 95 and 96 of the 1982 UN Law of the Sea Convention (UNCLOS).

Sunken military vessels often contain military or diplomatic material and naval technological modifications of a sensitive nature which may compromise national security. They also often contain the remains of naval personnel, which entitles them to the same protection as military gravesites on land. There are safety concerns, both for divers and the surrounding environment, in that careless activity could trigger off unexploded ordnance or release of fuel or other hazardous material into the ocean environment. Additionally, several articles in UNCLOS recognize the need for all States to cooperate to protect archaeological and historical objects found at sea.

The United States has been very aggressive in using this doctrine as a rationale for protecting our sunken warships and denying access to them or the pursuit of salvage claims against them since the nineteenth century. In adjudicating disputes, courts normally consider the conduct of the flag state with respect to their sunken craft and, in certain circumstances, will consider the vessel abandoned and award salvage rights to the salvor.


What about wreck sites that are debris fields rather than whole aircraft or ships?

Wreck sites that are not entire aircraft or ships, but are parts strewn in a debris field are considered archaeological sites. Such sites still contain U.S. Government property and must be managed by the Coast Guard in accordance with the National Historic Preservation Act. This means that anyone wishing to recover parts from a debris field is required to contact the Coast Guard for review of the project.

Federal Laws and Regulations Relating to U.S. Coast Guard Submerged Ship and Aircraft Wrecks

•Antiquities Act (16 U.S.C. 433).
•National Historic Preservation Act of 1966(16 U.S.C. 470).
•Archaeological and Historic Preservation Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 469).
•Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 (16 U.S.C. 470aa).
•Theft of Government Property (18 U.S.C. 641).
•Abandoned Shipwreck Act of 1987 (43 U.S.C. 2101).
•Documents, Historical Artifacts, and Condemned or Obsolete Combat Material: Loan, Gift, or Exchange(10 U.S.C. 2572).
•Archaeological Resources Protection Act Final Uniform Regulations (32 CFR 229).
•Protection of Historic Properties (36 CFR 800).
•Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Historic Preservation Projects (36 CFR 68).
•Abandoned Shipwreck Act Guidelines (55 FR 50116).
•National Register of Historic Places (36 CFR 60).
•Determinations of Eligibility for Inclusion in the National Register of Historic Places (36 CFR 63).
•Recovery of Scientific, Prehistoric, Historic, and Archaeological Data (36 CFR 66)
•Curation of Federally-Owned and Administered Archaeological Collections (36 CFR 79).
• Sunken Military Craft Act (Pub.L. 108-375, 10 U.S.C. 113 Note & Stat. 2094-2098, Title XIV)

For further information, contact the Coast Guard Historian’s Office at:

United States Coast Guard Historian’s Office (CG-09224)
U.S. Coast Guard Headquarters
2100 2nd ST, S.W.
Washington D.C. 20593-0001

202-372-4650


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:31 pm 
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muddyboots wrote:
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ummmm...isn't the USCG under the umbrella of the D e p a r t m e n t of the N A V Y


Nope. Five services, USCG is one of them.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:49 pm 
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gary1954 wrote:
muddyboots wrote:
gary1954 wrote:

ummmm...isn't the USCG under the umbrella of the D e p a r t m e n t of the N A V Y


Nope. Five services, USCG is one of them.


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Seven Services. Five combatant , two non-combatant
Add:
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps -whose surveyors were commissioned so as not to be shot as spies.
United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps - who started out as marine hospitals and old sailor's homes.

Neither of them have enlisted ranks, so they are 100% officers (scary that) and only NOAA has operated aircraft to keep this remotely relevant.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:08 pm 
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Seven Services. Five combatant , two non-combatant
Add:
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps -whose surveyors were commissioned so as not to be shot as spies.
United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps - who started out as marine hospitals and old sailor's homes.

Neither of them have enlisted ranks, so they are 100% officers (scary that) and only NOAA has operated aircraft to keep this remotely relevant.


If you're going that route, then maybe 8. The Merchant Marine is a Navy Aux entity and during time of war are considered military personal.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Isn't the USCG under Homeland Security except in time of war at which point it reverts to the USN?

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