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Interesting link with a great photo, I understand other records are surfacing from the base itself confirming the complete aircraft wreck was recovered during the war and used for fire control practice, it would seem the cockpit was either spared that outcome, or survived to be dumped back into the lake?

Given the statements below of the recovers, it would seem they and the Yukon government could settle the issue and arrange for the cockpit to be preserved in Yukon for eventual display in Watsons Lake?

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An Alberta family had the experience of a lifetime the other day when they salvaged a Second World War relic from the cold waters of Watson Lake.

But in bringing the wrecked B26 Marauder bomber to the surface, John Jasman, his wife Cindy, their son Matt and John’s brother Brian also raised controversy and legal troubles.

The recovery was the culmination of a long effort that began in l989 with Brian developing an interest in the 133 lend-lease airplanes that were lost en route to Russia.

Brian and John’s father was a bush pilot; he’d done some flying in the Watson Lake area and had sparked the boys’ interest with stories about the many wrecks rumoured to be in this part of the country.

Thirteen B26 aircraft came up here after Pearl Harbour and five crashed on the way.

Brian’s research efforts led to the family finding one of the aircraft last summer in Watson Lake.

He has copies of the original crash report, dated January 16, 1942: “Undershot on landing due to inexperience with snow-blanketed terrain,” it says.

One crew member broke his arm, but nobody died in the crash. The shattered aircraft sank close to shore.

But the wreck was discovered last summer by the Jasmans, using a side scanner, in the middle of the lake 21 metres below the surface. They reckon the plane moved gradually, the winter ice slowly shifting the hulk to its eventual resting place.

The Jasmans went back to Alberta and began planning for the summer of 2009 when they would salvage the aircraft.

They’d notified the Yukon government about their discovery and, much to their surprise, were met with indifference.

This year, when they told the government about their plan to recover the bomber, they got a response: it came under the Heritage Act and they couldn’t touch it.

This was news to them. They had letters from the federal government saying there would be no issue regarding their proposed salvage.

They’d sent copies of those letters to the Canadian Coast Guard Receiver, telling them they’d found a B26 Marauder bomber and even supplying the serial number.

The Receiver had responded by saying they had no role in the matter because the US Air Force was the owner and had given the Jasmans permission to salvage.

A salvage lawyer contacted by the Jasmans said the issue comes under the Maritime Act.

“Go for it,” said the lawyer. “If you have any problems, contact me.”

So they started planning.

Brian is a truck driver from Calgary. John and Cindy have a land-development business in Westlock, north of Edmonton. There was a lot to keep them busy as they prepared for their return to the Yukon to recover the old bomber.

They have a dive boat, a quad, a camper and a crew-cab truck. There is diving gear and a large tank used to float the wreck to the surface.

“Those three are the divers” Cindy motions to the three male members of the family. “I’m the cook.”

Thirteen-year-old Matt, who finished his diver’s course in time to get in on the trip (his sixteen-year-old brother Andy had to stay home to write exams), shows off his new, state-of-the-art dry suit and the quilted underwear necessary to keep him comfortable in the frigid waters.

Not only has he played an active part in the recovery as a diver, but he is also skilfully documenting the adventure, taking photos and making short films—recording every step of this family’s effort to recover a piece of history.

When they succeeded in getting the wreck ashore, the local interest was immediate and evidenced by many people coming down to look and take pictures.

The Jasmans were glad to share their excitement and young Matt was a great spokesperson.

“We let Matt do most of the talking to people who came to see it; he knows as much as we do, and he loves to talk about it,” says Cindy with a smile.

“Everyone has been really nice,” she continues. “Just excited and happy to see the aircraft, take photos, and learn more about it. No one has expressed any negative feelings towards us for having salvaged it.”

“The Marauder Society in the States has been in touch, too,” says John.

And they are really pumped about it. They’ve been warning us about people taking pieces from the wreck and are concerned, but no one from town that came out here to see it showed any interest in grabbing bits.”

The local consensus seems to be that the Jasmans have gone to all the trouble of finding the wreck and recovering it, so they should determine what happens next.

So the arrival of the RCMP was a bit of a shock.

First, two RCMP members wanted to see a permit. After being shown the letters, they left.

The next police officer to arrive confiscated the wreck and issued the Jasmans an “appearance notice,” which states that under the Historic Resources Act, section 62, they have failed to obtain an historic documents permit.

They have been charged with excavating illegally.

The wreck was not excavated, said Brian, who doesn’t understand the reason behind the notice.

Before they began this project, their understanding was the Yukon government does not govern water bodies, the Canadian Coast Guard does, and they had already checked in with them, says Brian.

Sitting around their camp Thursday night, the whole family is clearly upset by what has happened.

Their biggest concern is for the safety of the salvaged aircraft.

“It needs to be covered with a tarp, and it should be hosed out,” says Brian. “The officer assured us this would be done, and that it would be safe in the forestry compound here at the airport. He said it was a secured area.

“We drove in the forestry compound yard at 5 p.m. and took photos and no one approached us to see what we were doing there. The dash panel is already missing.”

“It’s been vandalized,” says Cindy. “It’s so frustrating and sad to see it treated carelessly. It is an important part of the history of Watson Lake.
“We didn’t get anything from the police other than the appearance notice,” says John.

They contacted the salvage lawyer.

Meanwhile, they worry about what will be pilfered from the find next.

The aircraft should be properly displayed in a museum, preferably one in the Yukon, they all say.

“I would love to be working with the Yukon government on this,” says John. “That would be the ideal scenario.”
Is there money to be made with this find?

“A finder’s fee and a salvage fee would be appropriate,” says Brian. “That’s the usual thing.”

The Jasmans are clearly not a hugely financed operation; they are not staying in a hotel, or down at the lake in a posh motor home. Their equipment is not new; it is serviceable and looks well-maintained.

They have not been secretive about their search, buying supplies locally and gladly sharing information about their find.

The passion for what they are doing is evident, and shared.

“It’s a great family time,” Cindy says, “in a beautiful place. To be involved in the salvage operation together has made it even more interesting and fun.”

Now a lot of the fun is gone.

Instead, they are waiting to hear from a salvage lawyer.



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I'm pretty certain that this photo of a B-26 was taken at Watson Lake, YT (judging by the mountain in the background) during WWII and depicts the B-26 (nose-section) raised from Watson Lake recently. The only other possibility is that it is one of the 3 that landed in the Upper Grayling River (a.k.a. Million Dollar Valley). In that case only one of them landed with the wheels down and the nose was much more damaged than in this case. Since I don't have a serial number it is inconclusive but my money is on it being the Watson Lake B-26. See Flickr link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23057174@N02/3712690275/

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A recent update from Sun Media Web Site
Talks Go On Over Sunken Bomber
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

The Flying Prostitute found in a northern lake may end up in the hands of government after all -- as long as the men who found her get a salvage fee.
John Jasman, one of two Alberta brothers who found the Second World War bomber at the bottom of Watson Lake in the Yukon, says he's perfectly willing to see the B-26 Marauder in a museum.
"They want to keep the airplane but that's all right with me as long as I get my salvage expenses," Jasman said yesterday. "I've no use for a twin-engine bomber anyway."
In June, Jasman and his brother Brian found the nose cone of the Flying Prostitute -- so nicknamed because the plane's short wing span gave it no visible means of support -- and declared their intention to salvage the rest.
They were charged under the Yukon's heritage legislation, which is intended to prevent historic artifacts from leaving the territory.
The brothers were supposed to be in court last week, but the charges were quietly shelved as the territory began negotiating with the two over a salvage fee.
"We're in an offer-counter-offer situation right now to essentially make the charges under the Heritage Act go away and to settle our salvage claim over the aircraft," said Victoria lawyer Darren Miller, who represents the Jasmans.


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I'm still a little unclear. Is the rest of the airplane still in the lake, or was it ONLY the nose section that was in the lake?

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From Lightjug's post:
"We're in an offer-counter-offer situation right now to essentially make the charges under the Heritage Act go away and to settle our salvage claim over the aircraft," said Victoria lawyer Darren Miller, who represents the Jasmans.

Wonder why the Heritage Act people are backing off? Maybe they don't actually have the clout they claim to have?


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Before they began this project, their understanding was the Yukon government does not govern water bodies, the Canadian Coast Guard does, and they had already checked in with them, says Brian.


The Canadian Coast Guard isn't the "Receiver of Wrecks" anymore, that was handed over to Transport Canada a number of years ago.

FMI: http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/oep/nwpp/wreck.htm


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It was dusk on a frigid January at the height of the Second World War when an American bomber plane, en route to defending Alaska, crashed in the Yukon.

One account says the B-26 Marauder landed on a frozen lake, another has it skidding down a runway and into an embankment.

At some point, the nose of this hulking warbird ended up at the bottom of Watson Lake, which is where it sat, forgotten, for more than 60 years -- until two brothers from Alberta hauled it up this spring.

But the warbird's fate is up in the air, again, caught in a power struggle between the brothers who say they have rightfully salvaged it, and the territorial government that says the plane is its to keep. The unusual legal battle that follows could decide if wrecks fall under federal shipping laws, or territorial heritage laws.

Brian and John Jasman are accused of excavating without a permit under the Yukon Territory's Historic Resources Act.

The territory's position is simple: "[Military relics] are a finite resource," says Jeff Hunston, manager of the territory's heritage resources unit. "We'll determine what happens to it, since we own it."

He says salvagers usually recover these items and sell them on the lucrative warbirds' market to private collectors or museums far away from where they landed.

The plane may be a rare find, but it is a mass-produced item that does not warrant archeological protection, counters Darren Williams, the Jasmans' lawyer.

He says his clients did nothing wrong and challenges the territory's jurisdiction, since Yukon lakes belong to the Crown.

The Jasmans say they obtained a letter from the U. S. Air Force in which it relinquished any claim to the Marauder and the Canadian government has raised no opposition to their claim, said Mr. Williams, a Victoria-based litigator who practises marine and admiralty law.

In another rare legal manoeuvre, he said his clients are suing the Marauder in an attempt to compel the federal government to give it to them. Mr. Williams said suing the plane asserts a salvage claim, in which case the government could decide to cover the brothers' expenses, or hand over the plane if it is valued at less than what it cost to pull it up.

The first court appearance is July 14.

"That airplane has been there for 67 years on the bottom of the lake, all the steel parts have disintegrated and all that's left is the aluminum," said John Jasman, 48, in a telephone interview from his home in Edmonton. "Another 30 to 40 years, there is going to be nothing there to salvage. It doesn't make any sense to leave it there."

He would like to see it in a museum one day, with his family's name engraved on a plaque explaining who found it.

It would be a poignant tribute to his deceased father, Allan, an aircraft engineer and bush pilot who would spin tales of military planes that had gone down along a stretch of the Yukon that was a common route to Alaska during the Second World War. It was Allan's dream to find one, and it became his boys' dream, too.

Their early expeditions to Watson Lake, just north of the B. C. border, produced an awful lot of oil drums, but also an unexploded rocket, which the men promptly sent back underwater. Then last year, three years after their father had passed away, the brothers revived their old past time, and hit the jackpot: "It's a bomber," Brian Jasman, 44, said gleefully, after diving under water and standing on the roof of the plane. They returned home to Alberta, giddy at the prospect of pulling out historical gold.

Brian, the researcher of the team, checked military records he ordered from the Smithsonian and determined the plane was likely a B-26 that had been nicknamed the Flying Prostitute because its small wings gave it no visible means of support. The brothers believe it landed on a frozen Watson Lake on Jan. 16, 1942 and eventually sank.

Mr. Hunston says historical records show the nose was severed from the plane after it crashed on the runway and there's nothing else in the water.

The brothers returned to the Yukon this spring with John's wife and 13-year-old son, and managed to pull the nose of the plane up to the surface with the help of water tanks.

"Most jurisdictions wouldn't allow people to come in and essentially pillage their past, and move it somewhere else," said Mr. Hunston, also an archeologist.

"Yukoners have been quite explicit that they want their heritage here in the Yukon, for the benefit of residents, as well as visitors. They don't want it in Arizona, Toronto, Saint John's, wherever. It belongs here in the Yukon, in context."

He said a P39 Airacobra that was removed from the Northwest Territories now sits in an air museum in Oregon.

Mr. Hunston added the government did not know of the Marauder before the brothers found it.

"We're not interested in just yanking things out of the lake and throwing them in the museum and incurring all sorts of costs to the public, without any sort of rhyme or reason."

The case appears to turn on whether or not a court believes a wreck falls under the jurisdiction of the territorial government, or the federal government.

The issue came up in Newfoundland in 2001, says Mr. Williams, but he said a court never ruled on whether salvage rights trump provincial heritage laws because the B-28 bomber in question was never salvaged.

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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1750648


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