Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:48 am
With n5151ts' appearant arrogance and over confidence I'm surprised he's not dead already 
So unless you plan on working your victim like a runway model,......the RF-4C is not much a "Pistol".
I'm feeling a nomination for the "Ron Burgundy" award
Shay
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Semper Fortis
n5151ts wrote:sorry but my familiarity is with the RF4-c phantom II so pistols it is...
Joe Baugher wrote:The RF-4C (Model 98DF) was the unarmed photographic reconnaissance version of the USAF's F-4C. The armament and radar of the fighter version was removed and replaced with equipment specialized for photographic reconnaissance....
So unless you plan on working your victim like a runway model,......the RF-4C is not much a "Pistol".
I'm feeling a nomination for the "Ron Burgundy" award
Shay
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Semper Fortis
Re: and now heres something you will really like
Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:12 pm
"It's not me, it's everyone else.."
Newsflash. Sometimes it is 'me'.
I'm sorry you've decided to zero in on the negatives - it would be good to have some input from a RF-4c person on the forum, but you've chosen not to.
For the record, I also think it's a pity you've not had more L-29 feedback (as I said, above) - it would be interesting. Sometimes that's just the way it falls.
I did actually say 'excellent post' for what was a good point you made, and I responded to that. The response was (IMHO) a childish 'blank stare'.
Feel free to turn up to a discussion board and offer 'blank stares' but it's going to get dull quickly.
Forums drift off topic; that's just how they are. No one person's ego or knowledge or opinions drive the forum either - feel free to convince - the opportunity's there.
This is the warbirds information exchange; not a private forum for ex-military pilots - as a result some elites have to put up with intrusion by others - when they play nicely, it can be very interesting. We would be interested in your experience, if you want to share; hence a couple of my questions you've decided to ignore - your call.
Generally I've better things to do than argue the toss; but you mentioned the 'pistols', I responded with what was intended to be a joke about 'sabres' you then decided to be rude about Australia. As a rule, I'd expect to get a mouthful if I were rude here about the USA - so I don't. Respect's earned and works both ways - maybe 'you'll get it' sometime.
Regards,
Newsflash. Sometimes it is 'me'.
n5151ts wrote:JDK wrote:Stop trying to rubbish people who disagree with you, avoiding any questions
you brought up the gun subject cowboy not me...I simply responded to your RUBBISH
pistols or swords is a humorous comment made to an air force puk...er pilot as there is a time honored friendly rivalry between the air force and navy types. and either one would risk their life to save the other in combat.
you need some (perhaps a lot) more edumakation. you are obviously bright but equally obvious you THINK you are intelligent ..you need some more LIFE HOURS on your air frame before you go attacking folks when you are cornered. congrats for making my DO NOT RESPOND TO LIST!
I'm sorry you've decided to zero in on the negatives - it would be good to have some input from a RF-4c person on the forum, but you've chosen not to.
For the record, I also think it's a pity you've not had more L-29 feedback (as I said, above) - it would be interesting. Sometimes that's just the way it falls.
I did actually say 'excellent post' for what was a good point you made, and I responded to that. The response was (IMHO) a childish 'blank stare'.
Feel free to turn up to a discussion board and offer 'blank stares' but it's going to get dull quickly.
Forums drift off topic; that's just how they are. No one person's ego or knowledge or opinions drive the forum either - feel free to convince - the opportunity's there.
This is the warbirds information exchange; not a private forum for ex-military pilots - as a result some elites have to put up with intrusion by others - when they play nicely, it can be very interesting. We would be interested in your experience, if you want to share; hence a couple of my questions you've decided to ignore - your call.
Generally I've better things to do than argue the toss; but you mentioned the 'pistols', I responded with what was intended to be a joke about 'sabres' you then decided to be rude about Australia. As a rule, I'd expect to get a mouthful if I were rude here about the USA - so I don't. Respect's earned and works both ways - maybe 'you'll get it' sometime.
Regards,
Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:08 pm
Your a little late you already ran him off! 
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this forum is fascinating. I post something about wanting an L-29 and immediately an argument about various things starts. Then the rude comments start to fly.
A lot fo you guys need to read Razors Edge by Maughm. there is a single line in that book "......YOU JUST DON'T GET IT"
only one of you hit on the real problem with Reno. THe course has changed too much over the years due to the fact that the land buffer has been slowly sold off. Eventually Reno will not exist as the course will look more like a Q tip than an oval.
To say I am arrogant is at best unbelievable. I do know my limitations. I quit being involved in racing after my friend Rick died. That was it for me. I then decided to get in to the ops side to MAKE IT SAFER FOR EVERYONE. Its not arrogance its love of a sport and aviation in general that brought me back.
...oh and why yes the RF4-C was unarmed. our motto was "alone--unarmed--and not afraid" we modified it to say "...well 2 out of 3 anyway" funny how you fly in low and just take pre-strike assessment photos ...then when you go back for the post assessment photos EVERYONE is shooting at you with everything including sling shots...what got them so riled up...I'm just taking pictures.
anyway I think this forum has its fair share of just wanna bes with chips on their shoulders.
Ill pop in from time to time for the humor factor and wish you all good luck
oh and take the air race fight to the air race forum --- i was looking for feed back on those pilots who have lived with an L-29.......
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=17269
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this forum is fascinating. I post something about wanting an L-29 and immediately an argument about various things starts. Then the rude comments start to fly.
A lot fo you guys need to read Razors Edge by Maughm. there is a single line in that book "......YOU JUST DON'T GET IT"
only one of you hit on the real problem with Reno. THe course has changed too much over the years due to the fact that the land buffer has been slowly sold off. Eventually Reno will not exist as the course will look more like a Q tip than an oval.
To say I am arrogant is at best unbelievable. I do know my limitations. I quit being involved in racing after my friend Rick died. That was it for me. I then decided to get in to the ops side to MAKE IT SAFER FOR EVERYONE. Its not arrogance its love of a sport and aviation in general that brought me back.
...oh and why yes the RF4-C was unarmed. our motto was "alone--unarmed--and not afraid" we modified it to say "...well 2 out of 3 anyway" funny how you fly in low and just take pre-strike assessment photos ...then when you go back for the post assessment photos EVERYONE is shooting at you with everything including sling shots...what got them so riled up...I'm just taking pictures.
anyway I think this forum has its fair share of just wanna bes with chips on their shoulders.
Ill pop in from time to time for the humor factor and wish you all good luck
oh and take the air race fight to the air race forum --- i was looking for feed back on those pilots who have lived with an L-29.......
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=17269
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:04 pm
Broken-Wrench wrote:Your a little late you already ran him off!
Re: I care a great deal about the public....but
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:12 pm
Mike wrote:n5151ts wrote:give me a break there Bill....thats classic sensationalist journalism if I have ever seen it.
Bill, the fastest jet (a T-33) qualified at over 525mph this year, several others were at over the 500 mark. My concerns are based on a combination of the speeds, the sight of the 'gaggle' coming off the last turn of the first lap in the Thurdsay Gold heat this year, with several aircraft either clearly out of or only under marginal control whilst pointing directly at the public areas, and the length of the debris field from the accident.
Re: I care a great deal about the public....but
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:12 pm
Mike wrote:Bill, the fastest jet (a T-33) qualified at over 525mph this year, several others were at over the 500 mark. My concerns are based on a combination of the speeds, the sight of the 'gaggle' coming off the last turn of the first lap in the Thurdsay Gold heat this year, with several aircraft either clearly out of or only under marginal control whilst pointing directly at the public areas, and the length of the debris field from the accident.
Mike, that is exactly what I was thinking. The unlimiteds are usually spread out by the time they get to pylon 8 on the first lap. In the Thurs heat race, the jets looked like a sprint car field coming down the valley. We thought that Pips Squeak and the L-29 had touched wings from our vantage point, then the L-29 driver decides he's had enough and maydayed out, then Brad went in . It was just alot of things combined that made it sketchy to me. Could an unlimited crash into the pits? Of course. I think the likelyhood of that happening vs the likelyhood of the jets doing it is low. Mike Houghton said at the awards banquet that the unlimited are taxing the current course to the limit, and the jets have exceeded that limit. I hope I didn't come off as a jet hater, as I am not. If the course can be altered, and saftey improved for the pilots and the crowd, I'd love to see them back. I think there are a few things RARA could do in reguards to how they lay out the pit / spectator area too, but that's a subject for another time.
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:19 pm
n5151ts and Mustang Driver,
I'm with you on exposing the younger group to a mix of warbirds. I heard the comment at Lone Star in rebuttal to someones less than educated opinion that "..we need to start attracting the jetheads to get some young blood in warbirds."
To quote a new LS member who rode down with his dad with me one Sat. work day... "man, this is WAY more interesting than I expected it to be." Nonstop questions all the way home. He did his daddy proud IMHO.
n5151ts... what the heck, go buy a jet warbird.
Being involved with a warbird museum and this site has given me an admittedly much broader interest. NOthing is 'an old beater to put on a pole.' Somebody flew it somewhere and probably liked it.
ramblin on
Canso42
I'm with you on exposing the younger group to a mix of warbirds. I heard the comment at Lone Star in rebuttal to someones less than educated opinion that "..we need to start attracting the jetheads to get some young blood in warbirds."
To quote a new LS member who rode down with his dad with me one Sat. work day... "man, this is WAY more interesting than I expected it to be." Nonstop questions all the way home. He did his daddy proud IMHO.
n5151ts... what the heck, go buy a jet warbird.
Being involved with a warbird museum and this site has given me an admittedly much broader interest. NOthing is 'an old beater to put on a pole.' Somebody flew it somewhere and probably liked it.
ramblin on
Canso42
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:26 pm
Y'all never mind, I'm moving to something else.
Doug Ratchford
Doug Ratchford
Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:51 pm
NO ONE will run me off-----Ill just choose my times to post ! 
Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:13 pm
n5151ts wrote:NO ONE will run me off-----Ill just choose my times to post !
Good.
Why not share some of your Phantom experiences?
Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:41 pm
n5151ts wrote:NO ONE will run me off-----Ill just choose my times to post !
Glad to hear it. I was hoping you had thicker skin.
And I wasn't knocking you for being a Recon Rhino driver, god knows every part of the machine is important to get the job done. I was merely pointing the RF-4's unarmed factor when you referenced it to your "pistol" scenario.
Back to the topic. Have you considered other more historic domestic types?
Shay
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Semper Fortis
Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:10 am
5151, did you do Recce Phantoms with the Reno Guard?
negative ghostrider...
Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:02 pm
Randy Haskin wrote:5151, did you do Recce Phantoms with the Reno Guard?
USN---actually used Marine RF4-Cs
Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:07 pm
n5151ts and JDK, and others on this thread.
I apologize if I came across as accusing others of running me off. Admittedly I was tired with a 'tude and got hypocritical. I wasn't trying to offend. Choosing one's time to post does seem like the best course.
sincerely,
Doug Ratchford, canso42
I apologize if I came across as accusing others of running me off. Admittedly I was tired with a 'tude and got hypocritical. I wasn't trying to offend. Choosing one's time to post does seem like the best course.
sincerely,
Doug Ratchford, canso42
Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:13 pm
Canso42 wrote:n5151ts and JDK, and others on this thread.
I apologize if I came across as accusing others of running me off. Admittedly I was tired with a 'tude and got hypocritical. I wasn't trying to offend. Choosing one's time to post does seem like the best course.
I didn't read it that way, so no harm done. Your points were all good, and as you say, if we want warbirds to prosper we need to get now young blood involved; the good news is generally, once trying it they seem to like it. It's getting them to try it!