Warbird Information Exchange

The justice system in many cases here is a joke. People get lawyers (no offense to any here on the site) not to prove that they are not guilty, but instead find loop foles to get them off. I am not saying that we should kill this guy, but he should get a harsh punishment. He won't of course. I think afair but tougher justice system is what is needed.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

My point is, at least there is a justice system that borders on following written law and attempts to be fair. Not saying it's perfect, but if you take it in the context of what most of the other humans on this planet are living under, you'd realize that we have it pretty darn good in the USA.

Remember, the US justice system is based on the concept that it's better to let someone guilty go free than wrongly imprison or punish the innocent. Most of the rest of the world has it the other way around.

If the tables were turned, and you (not YOU, but anyone reading this post) were accused of something, you would want the most fair process available.

I think that we have a great country, and I didn't mean for you to think I was saying anything about that, I just think that we need a little old fashion punishment for crimes.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

I agre with you randy but on Court Tv they seem to convict people anymore with circumstantial evidence.. I rather let'em go than send a inocent man to jail.

I was about to write a quote from Churchill about our or their justice system, when I saw CNN on tv. There is a case of a 6' 1", 250 lb. man beating, in public, a 130 lb. lady . Take a look at it, can you guess why the police took a month to arrest him? Anyway, when someone pointed out the many flaws in the British justice system, which we base ours on, Sir Winston said, " We have the worst judicial system in the world, except for all the others. "

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

You've got all the answers, haven't you? If you want people to respect your opinion, rather than just putting up with it, try to back off a little and consider, maybe, that you aren't the judge, jury and executioner. As I said a number of posts back, we don't even KNOW if he's mentally ill or on drugs - or what. As Randy's pointed out, the system's there for a reason.

As for the 'old fashion punishment for crimes' you advocate, as I said (again) we know that shipping criminals halfway around the world, as the British used to do to the USA and later to Australia, or chopping off their hands, as still happens in some countries, doesn't stop the crime. It gets some macho chortles about 'that guy won't do it again' from bloodthirsty armchair judges, but, sorry, it actually doesn't work as it doesn't stop the problem.

I absolutely agree appropriate punishment or restraint makes sense after trial (if criminal) or assessment (if mentally ill) is the best thing. Both systems need help - prepared to volunteer your labor? You might learn something.

Sadly museums need to legislate for and manage the risk to their staff and collections - but they (rightly) have no direct hand in punishment, anymore than we do here.

Regards,

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Raven

Raven how ould you feel if that was your grandafather's A-2? If the guys is a drug addict, I don't feel bad for him and what ever happens to him should. Here is the problem. NOTHING is going to happen to this guy. There is a break down in the system. Incase you haven't noticed I am not saying we should chop his head off, I am saying that he needs a larger punishment thatn he is going to get. Now you quoted me as saying that if someone without meds is a danger to the rest of us, the should be kept in a facility until they are better. Why is that too much to ask?

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Well every time somebody says "Its not my fault", or "its not my job", another crack develops in society for people like him to fall into.

Personal responsibility and professional responsibility has decreased and it shows . This is a case of someone somewhere, falling down on the job unfortunately for the museum and this man.

Also before you insult me make sure you understand what I am talking about. I don't mean to ship crimminal places. It just seems to me that life would be better if we brought something back form like the 40's and 50's. Now what could that be? Oh yeah, morals. The world is low on them right now. This guy more than likely doesn't even feel bad about twhat he did. I would have no problem if for his punishment they got his problem under control whether it be drugs or mental, and for is fine, make him work at the museum. But in today's world, he more than likely is not going to do anything. More than anythign I want this guy to understand the damage he did, why it was wrong, and how not to do it again. I don't care that he didn't do much damage. That is a submissive in saying, "Oh it's O.k." Well it is not O.K. Sorry that you all had to bear with hearing my opinion again, as I guess you are all tired of according to Raven, but I just wnat what is right.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

By the way I volunteer where I can learn about what brave men did to make sure I am free today. I am volunteer at the NMUSAF and a member of the CAF in Pittsburgh.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Hey Mustang Driver,

I support your opinion. I can really tell that the population of the world, in general, is lacking something. Maybe it's common sense, maybe it's a total lack of judgment and consideration for others.

It would be nice to roll back peoples innocence.

Ok, so maybe this topic has strayed from warbirds to an in depth analysis of human society.... oops, soo... back to the topic at hand.

The person that did this should be punished in some way or another. And even if his lawyers prove that there weren't enough signs telling him not to "Trespass, punch, or bite" he should still get in sh*t for going beyond what any "reasonable" person would ever dream of doing. Drugs ain't no excuse. You take any sort of drugs.... you should still be liable for every single one of your actions while on the drug, since it was your idea to take the drug in the first place.

I'm rambling, and it's too early in the morning to even know if I'm making sense.... So now I'm going to sheepishly hit the submit button.

Cheers,

David

It's like I said in my earlier post...we need to bring back mental institutions for the mentally ill. With the advancement in drug therepy there was that big push in the 60's and 70's to close down mental institutions in favor of putting these people back out into society with proper meds. The problem is that few of these people are active members of society (with or without their meds) and there is the constant battle of social workers trying to ensure these people take their meds. When they stop taking them...that's when the problems start.

John

I agree.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

"The problem is that few of these people are active members of society (with or without their meds) and there is the constant battle of social workers trying to ensure these people take their meds. When they stop taking them...that's when the problems start. "

The State system closed due to lack of funding. These places were expensive ( inefficient run as a beurocracy and not a business), and ran through tax dollars. Short of socialized medicine and 80-90 % taxation to pay for all these programs we're trying to keep many of these people on their meds.

In my experience most of them are productive, but then they begin to feel better and it becomes a chore to take the meds, then they fall off the wagon. There is a small minority 10% or so that will never be better, and do need institutional care.


O2 MD,FACEP

ahhhh! the liberals are rearing there sympathetic heads once again! lets try something here. we could create a new state and call it... i dont know, liberal land. no police force,no legal system and everyone has to wear nice soft gloves at all times. then we could move all of the things that mean the most to these people into the state, and give exclusive entry permits to every crackhead scumbag that has committed a crime against good hard working people in the last 30 days. it could be a 90 day rotational program. then all of the bleeding hearts could watch these losers trash and wreck all of their beloved personal belongingings and give their mothers a nice hard bite once a day. of course before any blame or retribution could be cast upon these poor misdirected cretans, it would be mandatory to asess this individuals possible worth to society while he sucks on a nice warm bottle of milk and gets his back rubbed by the afore mentioned soft gloves. meanwhile the other liberals can asess the damage caused by their new friend as mom is off getting a blood test and a massive dose of antibiotics,and some valium to cope with the stress of not knowing if she has some terrible disease. they could have a bake sale to raise funds to repair their property as the government is broke due to the cost of their massive social programs. i could go on with this but just writing this is making me sick. PUNISH CRIME!! i work too hard to allow myself to become a victim of someone who chooses not to. if they are mentally ill, which you surely will be after a couple of yummy meth hits, then institutionalize them. of course, social programs would have to be cut to re open these places and god forbid that it might even put a dent in the olympics program funding. you get it. what a messed up world we live in. allowing things like this to continue only propagates the problem. of course we cant just shoot them, but for crying out loud dont try to justify their actions. sim the disgusted.