Any P-40 experts care to comment on this image?

Tue May 15, 2012 3:30 am

Rossco wrote:Think the charge in the Spitfire was half a stick of Gelignite...

I suspect were that the case, it'd also cut down on the number of pilots taken POW. :shock:

A stick of dynamite contains roughly 2.1 MJ of energy.[10] The energy density (joules/kilogram or J/kg) of dynamite is approximately 7.5 MJ/kg,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite

Regards,

Tue May 15, 2012 7:32 am

If confirmed as ET574 its a sister to Jerry Yagens which is ET564.

regards

Mark

Tue May 15, 2012 7:48 am

Gelignite? Looks like a drop subjected to flame would do the job on circuitry....more than than would do a job on YOUR circuitry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaImsGMj17k

Tue May 15, 2012 8:14 pm

The Brewster Bermuda that was on outside display for years at the Becchcraft/ Staggerwing Museum in Tullahoma had the same sort of damage. IT felt like really large BRaille. On the Bermuda, the story was that a fragmentation grenade had been dropped in the fuselage for "training" once it had been written off in an accident.

Fri May 18, 2012 6:21 pm

OK, lovely chit chat about mostly irrelevant issues.

My older brother, ex vietnam Vet ( I have 3 older brothers who all served in some way in Vietnam) worked for an iol company in Afrika for many years before retiring. i have bought this to his attention and it has flowed onto other ex and current serving Defence members. many phone calls to some major oil companies in Afrika and Europe has confirmed the people int he photgraphs are known to several employers who subcontract employment in North Afrika.

The clowns who have provided numerous identification details are oil workers and security people, no problem there. But it is my understanding that the pilot may still be un accounted for. That got my brothers blood boiling cos he understands that the aircraft could provide clues as to the whereabouts of the pilot, if he is still missing. So I have been advised that several people are now running employment checks on the gumby's in the desert and they could end up being black listed from working in Afrika again.

In the near future, this warning will be passed on to a number of contractors in the area with an official pardon if items are returned to the scene so the authorities can examine all the evidence and determine what happened etc. The other option as suggested from my brother is to identify the individuals involved and write to the papers in their home countries and accuse them of grave robbing.

My brother gave an example of a corps that was found in the desert about 10 years ago, preserved by the sands and later ID as a french national who had been flying with a free french unit during ww2.

Further destruction of this item is an offence under international law as it relates to an MIA and my brother is confident that no company in the world would want to be associated with such activities, hence, no more jobs for the thieves.

thats my bit, sorry can't do any more

Peter

Fri May 18, 2012 8:48 pm

Digger wrote:OK, lovely chit chat about mostly irrelevant issues.

My older brother, ex vietnam Vet ( I have 3 older brothers who all served in some way in Vietnam) worked for an iol company in Afrika for many years before retiring. i have bought this to his attention and it has flowed onto other ex and current serving Defence members. many phone calls to some major oil companies in Afrika and Europe has confirmed the people int he photgraphs are known to several employers who subcontract employment in North Afrika.

The clowns who have provided numerous identification details are oil workers and security people, no problem there. But it is my understanding that the pilot may still be un accounted for. That got my brothers blood boiling cos he understands that the aircraft could provide clues as to the whereabouts of the pilot, if he is still missing. So I have been advised that several people are now running employment checks on the gumby's in the desert and they could end up being black listed from working in Afrika again.

In the near future, this warning will be passed on to a number of contractors in the area with an official pardon if items are returned to the scene so the authorities can examine all the evidence and determine what happened etc. The other option as suggested from my brother is to identify the individuals involved and write to the papers in their home countries and accuse them of grave robbing.

My brother gave an example of a corps that was found in the desert about 10 years ago, preserved by the sands and later ID as a french national who had been flying with a free french unit during ww2.

Further destruction of this item is an offence under international law as it relates to an MIA and my brother is confident that no company in the world would want to be associated with such activities, hence, no more jobs for the thieves.

thats my bit, sorry can't do any more

Peter

Perfect news!

Sun May 20, 2012 3:07 pm

How does that work?

It was not the 'European' surveyors doing the damage. The Egyptians working for the survey company were not seen to do any significant damage though climbing all over it did get mine and a few others slightly annoyed!

Though the drivers, guards, guides contracts might be effected with the companies they work for, they really have not done the damage. Only thing they are guilty off is the same as what we are doing, discussing and commenting to other people on this amazing find. Someone phones his mate who phones his mate etc. It has become a local attraction.

The assumed missing pilot is a major issue though and agree that it would have been nice to have had the site assessed before it got trampled but now 3 months down the line any evidence in the proximity has gone.

Mark

Sun May 20, 2012 3:22 pm

shepsair wrote:How does that work?

It was not the 'European' surveyors doing the damage. The Egyptians working for the survey company were not seen to do any significant damage though climbing all over it did get mine and a few others slightly annoyed!

Though the drivers, guards, guides contracts might be effected with the companies they work for, they really have not done the damage. Only thing they are guilty off is the same as what we are doing, discussing and commenting to other people on this amazing find. Someone phones his mate who phones his mate etc. It has become a local attraction.

The assumed missing pilot is a major issue though and agree that it would have been nice to have had the site assessed before it got trampled but now 3 months down the line any evidence in the proximity has gone.

Mark

I was waiting for someone to bring attention to that post. I'm a little baffled by it as well. But if it's ligit in some way, well then it's ligit I guess. :wink:

Sun May 20, 2012 3:46 pm

It's also possible some of the people who found it never heard of WW II, or as some youngsters today call it.....World War Eleven.

Mon May 21, 2012 5:12 am

I agree with Shepsair; criticism of the Polish guy who originally posted, and his colleagues, is not justified, let alone jeopardising their employment prospects.

We don't know who has been doing the damage since , but there's no proof that it was them.

I share your anger at what has been shown in some of the videos though.

HF