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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:22 pm 
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As I mentioned one of the hardest parts to find in radio gear are the shock mounts. Here is a rare shock mount and rack for the single ARC-5 receiver.

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The shock mounts installed waiting for the racks

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Refinishing the shock mount by using heat to get that deep wrinkle finish

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Happiness is a near complete ARC-5 set. Here are the VHF transmitter and receiver (silver radios) installed which was common in the later Harpoons. They also had stowage provisions for two additional receivers and four transmitters

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Both of the mounts for the ART-13 are hard to find. I was lucky to find this mount for the dynamotor at EAA's Airventure last year. Score!

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Here are the other radios in the mid body section which include the ATC/ART-13 Liaison transmitter and dynamotor, APN-1 radar altimeter, ARC-5 modulator and LM frequency meter. Storage racks for the ARC-5 receivers will mount here too along with the ARN-8 marker beacon receiver.

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The ART-13 is just one installed for fit as I have a new old stock Navy ATC marked one that will replace it.

Radar compartment next

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:13 pm 
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the330thbg wrote:
Awesome stuff!

...To save on weight.., any thoughts to going with....:


Careful, don't get me started on this subject... too late!

I sure don't want to offend anyone, especially you 330th, with the following but the whole argument about removing all of the gear, or not putting it back in, to save weight is hard to hear. We are not flying these aircraft at anywhere near combat weight so how will saving a few pounds or ounces here or there really matter that much? I dare you to show me the performance difference if you use gutted out radios as opposed to complete ones.

Maybe when you have a fuselage tank, full of fuel, and armor plate behind the seat of your Mustang, it will make a difference in the handling qualities and CG until you burn off the fuel in that tank. In our Harpoon I actually need as much weight aft of the CG as possible so a turret will be very helpful. How much difference will there be in your B-17 if all of the radios in it are gutted? I believe about 40 to 50 pounds total. Just for arguments sake lets say it was a whole 200 pounds. I challenge anyone to show me how they can feel the difference in the aircraft performance or even calculate it on an aircraft that has a basic empty weight of say 35,000 pounds and a gross weight of 65,000+.

Our Harpoon is about 19,000 BEW and grosses over 33,000. Frankly I think she will do a lot better with the military gear on board and a 700 pound turret. don't gut that radio as you are destroying a piece of history in itself. What a waste in so many ways!

What is more important to me is for any WWII aircrew to get back inside our Harpoon and be able to sit in their old crew position. I want them to be able to sit down, and be able to fire up the radar or radios. To hear the dynamotors running and to smell the electronics when they are warm is just as important to me as an accurate paint job.

If just one Harpoon vet says 'its just like I remember' then I will be happy beyond belief and all of the effort will be worthwhile 10 times over.

I just hope all of us who are working hard on the old gal can get enough of it done before all of the PV-2 guys are gone or can't make it out to the airport anymore. :(

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:38 pm 
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Amen to all of that Taigh. Thank you for taking the time to bring this old girl back to life for all of us, in particular those vets who spent their time in and around the Poon.

I absolutely love this thread and check often for the latest.


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OUTFRICKENSTANDING!! Just keep Ken busy will ya'! It keeps him outa trouble. Oh, and I will have good photos for the Pub next time we come out! :drink3:
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Outstanding Taigh. I love your dedication to authenticity.


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Taigh, got a fuel picture from NAS North Island? Talk about weight :shock:

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Roger Cain wrote:
Taigh, got a fuel picture from NAS North Island? Talk about weight :shock:


And the Harpoon carried that 3500 pounds of fuel we had on board and I don't think she noticed the difference. We were still 10,000 pounds under gross weight so what does a few hundred pounds of radio and radar gear matter anyway! It'll matter to some vet so I will gladly carry it around until we run into him or her.

I think you can try to fly more efficiently aerodynamically to try and save fuel and get better performance than trying to save a few pounds when we are talking about fractions of a percent of weight. Please do not get me wrong as I am concerned about normal weight and balance like any pilot should be but when I hear the old wives tale about gutting radios etc it makes me a bit crazy... can you tell? It's almost as bad as the old gloss paint instead of flat because it is easier to clean... :roll: Now really don't get me started!

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I have to agree with Taigh Ramey, it would defeat the idea of restoring the components just to gut them out and make them UN-useable even if they don't get used or are UN-useable. They are still very rare parts of history that are equally deserving to remain in the best condition as possible. :) though it may not mean much I say your group is heading in the right direction. I love the updates. I never had heard of a harpoon until I became a WIX Member. I do have to ask though, have y'all been able to locate a top turret for her?

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Thanks Scott, you guys have got to come out and see her soon. She doesn't look like the inside of an empty horse trailer anymore! And, she's only getting better!

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Looks great, Taigh.
You've captured the look already of the warbird Lockheed. Your Super Ventura can be the 60's version, since I have a love affair with remote mount Wulfsburg equipment I know how you feel!
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Taigh thanks for the update, you guys are doing an amazing job on the radio fit well done!!

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The Radar Operators position is located right side of the fuselage just opposite from the main entry door. The main radar was the APS-3 search and targeting radar that was widely used throughout WWII. It must have been a good set to have had such a long run. There are a lot of attachments and mods for the basic set which I am learning were installed in our late Harpoon.

To begin the resurrection of the radar position I started with the floor boards. I do not know for sure as I am guessing that they had plywood flooring for protection from the extreme cold of the Arctic conditions that this aircraft was initially designed for. The radar ops table also mounted to the plywood only and not through the underlying metal floor structure.

Here is Larry next to the templates that were made for fitting the floor panels.

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The radar operators table mounts to the floor with brackets that the support tubes are screwed to. Here are come of the brackets after bending

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Then the table is fitted and the brackets are located on the floor templates

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The finished templates are then transferred to the nice plywood and are cut out

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After the boards are cut, sealed and painted felt is added as per the original and the brackets are secured in place. Yes I was a cheap bastard and I only sealed the bottom of the floorboards and didn't paint them!

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Next is the radar rack structure starting with the upper tubes. They are bent from stock to the specified shape and attached to the structure. They lined up perfectly with the original bolt holes.

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The lower tubes attach to the upper ones with special T fittings. These are made from flat stock and are pressed with mandrels to achieve the correct fit.

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Next the channels are bent up with lightening holes that support the radar receiver, control box and power supply

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Fitting the radar components. Isn't it cool!

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The radar scope bracket is fabricated next using some original parts from our stock

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Now the finished floor panels and radar table can go in for more fitting

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One of the late war modifications that Harpoons had was the addition of the APA-16 adapter that allowed more accurate bomb, torpedo and even rocket release through the radar. Here is the control box for that set and its mountings which place it in the radar operators table. The brackets were fabricated to fit an original mounting plate

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Another bracket that held connectors for the radar scope was made and fitted

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One of the finishing touches is the bracket for the clock mount. Like the one on the radio operators table this is shock mounted

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With everything pretty much fitted and set up its time to tear it all down for deburring and paint. Here is Ken and his son doing just that. Carson is a good kid who is real inquisitive. He is asking all of the good questions and wants to learn more. The future of Warbirds? I hope so.

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After all the parts are painted they will be installed for the last time for a while. We are leaving the original WWII factory paint inside the fuselage as it is in pretty decent shape. It needs more cleaning, preservation and touch up but it is the real deal. As the old saying goes it's only original once! I actually am looking forward to the new floorboards and radio/radar racks getting scuffed up with that worn look so they will match the original finish. We are going for that seasoned look sort of like a nice old flying jacket that shows its experience.

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I am reminded of Gary when I see an update of your's Taigh. Great freakin job! Keep it up! Can't wait to see more!

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OUTSTANDING WORK FELLAS!! MAN I wish I lived closer to help!! :supz:

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Not worrying about the repaint but keep up the work on the interior my god your doing great!!!

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