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Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:45 am

Was this the P-40 that was found unassembled in its original packing crate in the 1980s?


This never really happened did it?

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:01 pm

PinecastleAAF wrote:
Was this the P-40 that was found unassembled in its original packing crate in the 1980s?

This never really happened did it?


Sure it did. . . it was found along with a bunch of crated Spitfires. . . :lol: :roll: :axe:

Sorry... couldn't resist...

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:47 pm

That's funny right there.

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:42 pm

I was thinking Burma also, lol. If we are going for crated gold i'll vote for a P-43, wth. :D

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:27 am

I was told that The tooth fairy and the Easter bunny rode on Santa Claus's sleigh to show them where the crate was :shock:

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:54 am

The tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa all winter in Burma.

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:56 pm

Somewhere on the net is a beautiful write up on it. Yea the wings were cut for a barge ride and later John Paul found and assisted the install of another set. I believe he has two sons? Sad his hard work is leaving the family. Hate seeing that happen.

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:20 am

Short Version:

George's P-40 is indeed a time capsule and every piece of it is factory built.

They cut the original wings off outboard of the gear and put it on a wooden log strapped raft to float it through the waterways to it's new home. It sat for a number of years like that until my Dad (John Paul) approached George with a proposal to change the wing out for him with a new wing George had acquired in Montana (he found two actually I believe).

George had wanted to get the cut off wings changed out for years but received quotes from IA's and "experts" that were WAY cost prohibitive for the time and they even stated it would take up to 6 months or longer to complete the process! Well, My Dad was building his 2nd P-40 E (Kermit owns it now) and needed all the goodies that were still in that center section on George's P-40 with cut off wings. Long story short ( I know, but this really is the short story) My Dad and Art Zotterelli (RIP) drove the family wagon up there with the trailer and in two days changed out the cut off wings for a perfect new P-40E wing George had found (one of two perfect wings George had acquired) and Dad and Art even installed a new nose case for him because the original was screwed. All in 2 days!!!

My Dad brought home the cut-off wings to our front lawn in Alamo, Calif and removed every single usable part from the center section. EVERYTHING. That means everything that holds the lading gear in especially. This stripped out, cut off center section eventually ended up with Bob Deimert and was used as the basis for the "P-40" he built. My Dad always wondered what the hell Deimert was using to hold the gear into the wing......... we all eventually found out of course. I apologize for not recalling if it was Yeagan or Fagen that bought the "P40" but needless to say, it was completely re-built from the ground up.

Here's the KICKER that nobody seems to know after all these years. The wing that is on George's P-40 is actually the FACTORY WING THAT BELONGS TO OUR P-40E N94466!!! Our wing is the "other" wing George found and passed on.

I've always wanted to swap our P-40E wing for George's so that we would have our own complete Factory matched fuselage and wing.

We've been operating ours (P-40E) for 43 years now and it still flys like a dream.

Another interesting note is that there are only 3 P-40's in the world that still operate with original mil spec 3586 hydraulic fluid. Our P-40E 94466 "SNEAK ATTACK", our P-40N 1195N "Parrot Head" and George's P-40E.

I hope whoever buys this airplane treats it right and I personally believe this beauty needs to fly. It needs it's systems gone thru but the structure should be in perfect condition. I DO NOT believe there would be any reason to go through a ground up restoration. Clean it up, replace seals. make sure all the nose case bearings are accounted for and finally fly this beauty!

If not, then can I get my wing back please :)

That Maude family will forever be in our hearts for preserving this airplane and the new owner needs to understand it's at the top of the list as one of the most special survivors of WWII.

JC

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:15 am

Hey thanks for that info John-Curtiss. It's amazing what capable folks can do, when there isn't a bunch of people in the way, saying it can't be done!
I'm a warbird geek that has associated your family name with warbirds since I got "infected" in the early '80's :lol:

That's fascinating that the Maude machine has the original wing from your family P-40E! Did your dad meet the wing before he met the rest of the airframe?

I am fully authorized :shock: to speak for all WIXers in saying that we would love to hear the "long" version of any of these tales, whenever you'd care to share them :D

I also promise to never complain if pictures of any of your family projects are shown here (Boise Bee included) :D

Thanks for taking the time to enrich this site with your first hand input. (How many kids get to grow up surrounded by P-40 bits & pieces? :lol: )

Parrothead rocks! :supz:

Andy Scott

Re: "Maude" P-40E for sale...

Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:01 am

John-Curtiss Paul wrote:Short Version:

George's P-40 is indeed a time capsule and every piece of it is factory built.

They cut the original wings off outboard of the gear and put it on a wooden log strapped raft to float it through the waterways to it's new home. It sat for a number of years like that until my Dad (John Paul) approached George with a proposal to change the wing out for him with a new wing George had acquired in Montana (he found two actually I believe).

George had wanted to get the cut off wings changed out for years but received quotes from IA's and "experts" that were WAY cost prohibitive for the time and they even stated it would take up to 6 months or longer to complete the process! Well, My Dad was building his 2nd P-40 E (Kermit owns it now) and needed all the goodies that were still in that center section on George's P-40 with cut off wings. Long story short ( I know, but this really is the short story) My Dad and Art Zotterelli (RIP) drove the family wagon up there with the trailer and in two days changed out the cut off wings for a perfect new P-40E wing George had found (one of two perfect wings George had acquired) and Dad and Art even installed a new nose case for him because the original was screwed. All in 2 days!!!

My Dad brought home the cut-off wings to our front lawn in Alamo, Calif and removed every single usable part from the center section. EVERYTHING. That means everything that holds the lading gear in especially. This stripped out, cut off center section eventually ended up with Bob Deimert and was used as the basis for the "P-40" he built. My Dad always wondered what the heck Deimert was using to hold the gear into the wing......... we all eventually found out of course. I apologize for not recalling if it was Yeagan or Fagen that bought the "P40" but needless to say, it was completely re-built from the ground up.

Here's the KICKER that nobody seems to know after all these years. The wing that is on George's P-40 is actually the FACTORY WING THAT BELONGS TO OUR P-40E N94466!!! Our wing is the "other" wing George found and passed on.

I've always wanted to swap our P-40E wing for George's so that we would have our own complete Factory matched fuselage and wing.

We've been operating ours (P-40E) for 43 years now and it still flys like a dream.

Another interesting note is that there are only 3 P-40's in the world that still operate with original mil spec 3586 hydraulic fluid. Our P-40E 94466 "SNEAK ATTACK", our P-40N 1195N "Parrot Head" and George's P-40E.

I hope whoever buys this airplane treats it right and I personally believe this beauty needs to fly. It needs it's systems gone thru but the structure should be in perfect condition. I DO NOT believe there would be any reason to go through a ground up restoration. Clean it up, replace seals. make sure all the nose case bearings are accounted for and finally fly this beauty!

If not, then can I get my wing back please :)

That Maude family will forever be in our hearts for preserving this airplane and the new owner needs to understand it's at the top of the list as one of the most special survivors of WWII.

JC

I will second that.
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