Air Force Museum Orders Historic Aircraft Destruction!!

[262]

OK, lets cut up a few POS cessnas and say here is your plane!OR, disassemble the plane and i will hide my share of parts in my garage! bill

[Rob Mears]

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[A2C]

Call the Collings Found, since they got their F-4 through their congressman.

Keep this in mind too, once the USAFM statists succeed in destroying your airplanes, what makes you think they will stop there? They could recall every warbird that was in the USAF.

Don't be afraid of the gumint, Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death". Confront them directly, you have nothing to lose. Take them to court, and if you can't find a lawyer, be your own.

If we don't fight them here, what's to stop them in anything else?

[BHawthorne]

My curiosity about this is, what do they define as "improperly transferred"? Missing a form filled out, a bill of sale not made, airframe demils not properly documented, what? My second question is do they have the authority to order anyone to do anything with the aircraft? If so, under what specific laws? Lots of questions I'm curious about including the question about how they automatically jump into slice and dice mode if it's just a matter of signing a few papers to make it right? One would think they'd prefer to preserve aircraft and figure a way to make this right. Is it a case of, if the NMUSAF doesn't have control over the display of the aircraft, they feel noone should?

[mustangdriver]

I'd just like to throw this out there.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say someone at the NMUSAF (not Chris) reads this.

Again hypothetically, let's say that said reader skims rather than reads, realizes Gary's posted in here, DOESN'T read clearly what Gary wrote, and leaves with the impression that Gary's badmouthing the NMUSAF, which he hasn't.

Hypothetically, we could unintentionally cut the legs right out from under him.

I really think we all oughtta zip it up and see how this resolves before there's any more speculation in here. Gary's worked his face off and gave us a fantastically detailed thread related to 927, and I think the least we can do is not to hypothetically sabotage him.

Besides...that's also what he asked us to do. I think he deserves that respect from us.

*edited to add* Chris, I know you and Jack have had your differences, but respectfully, you could have made the same post without the extraneous statement there. Honestly, it could really create exactly the kind of atmosphere I think you wanted to avoid.

I was just showing him the same respect he showed me in his first post. THe one where he says I don't have a right to say anything. Jack and I have had many differences, but we don't mean any harm on a personal level. We just get fired up on here. I just want to see what is really going on here. Sometimes an early thread like this leads to many pages of fighting and turns out to be false or not accurate. Remember the Helldiver thread where it was stated that the plane was "chopped up with chainsaws and hacksaws" Yeah, not the case. So I just want to see what is really going on. If the NMUSAF does do what Jack says, then I will be 100% with Gary, and help him in any way I can. I do have e-mail and phone numbers that may help, let's just see what takes place first, and we will go from there.

[viking73]

All I can say is NO!!

This has to work out for the best...

[Fouga23]

As much as i love seeing those restoration threads, this is exactly why I am against putting stuff like that on the net. You never know who will see it.

[Jack Cook]

Not how it happended in this case Fouga.

[tex-fan]

Just for my info; [and i'm not trying to stir anything] are these the planes in Snyder. Or other 105 & 101s. and was the plan to move them to Texas Air Museum or thanks for any info you all can give.

[RyanShort1]

Just for my info; [and i'm not trying to stir anything] are these the planes in Snyder. Or other 105 & 101s. and was the plan to move them to Texas Air Museum or thanks for any info you all can give.

That information is readily available if you use the search feature...

Additionally (not directed at tex-fan), I suggest we don't discuss anything further on this thread and let it die. Gary WILL keep us as up to date as we need to be. At this point more harm is possible than good from further discussion if what I gather is correct. Gary said as much in his previous posts in this thread. So PLEASE, think before you post.

Ryan

[the330thbg]

my, there are a lot of Texans on this board!!

[Second Air Force]

I suggest we don't discuss anything further on this thread and let it die. Gary WILL keep us as up to date as we need to be. At this point more harm is possible than good from further discussion if what I gather is correct. Gary said as much in his previous posts in this thread. So PLEASE, think before you post.

Ryan

I think Ryan's quote might be very good advice at this time. Just my personal opinion.

Scott

[fotobass]

Well, that is true. HOWEVER........the lady I spoke with was at least nice about it and said she'd TRY to do whatever she can to help me out with this. But for what she knows right now, it doesn't look good.

And while this is VERY disappointing news, I'm pleading with y'all to let me get the rest of the info from her before we go completely crazy (that's what I'm telling myself anyway). I assure you all, that IF the end result is that the airplanes do indeed get cut up, I will let you know.

Gary the frustrated.

[Taylor Stevenson]

I'd just like to throw this out there.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say someone at the NMUSAF (not Chris) reads this.

Again hypothetically, let's say that said reader skims rather than reads, realizes Gary's posted in here, DOESN'T read clearly what Gary wrote, and leaves with the impression that Gary's badmouthing the NMUSAF, which he hasn't.

Hypothetically, we could unintentionally cut the legs right out from under him.

I really think we all oughtta zip it up and see how this resolves before there's any more speculation in here. Gary's worked his face off and gave us a fantastically detailed thread related to 927, and I think the least we can do is not to hypothetically sabotage him.

Besides...that's also what he asked us to do. I think he deserves that respect from us.

Seconded.

[retroaviation]

Howdy y'all. I'm sorry for not being more up front with info right now, but as I mentioned before, I'm still trying hard to work with the nice lady that had to give the the unfortunate news about these airplanes. We are all hoping she can find a way to keep this from happening, but right now it's a waiting game...a difficult thing for those of us who want immediate answers. I just have to remain calm, which for those of you who know me will agree, isn't an easy task for me.

You have no idea how much I appreciate all of the support so far, not only on this thread, but via Private Messages and e-mails as well. And it's comforting to know that I have a bunch of good folks who are more than willing to assist me in saving these airplanes. I may very well be calling on y'all for help, but I just gotta freakin' wait for now. Ugh.

Gary