Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:00 am
Just ask the Native Americans what a signature on a piece of paper is worth or promises made! The Federal Government does what it wants to do to whomsoever it wants to do it to and then redefines the law to match its mood of the day!
It is better than they be saved rather than smelted....would be nice to see one fly, but rarity, cost, all that stuff considered, hope they got some nice beads, mirrors and trinkets in trade!
It is better than they be saved rather than smelted....would be nice to see one fly, but rarity, cost, all that stuff considered, hope they got some nice beads, mirrors and trinkets in trade!
Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:14 pm
One last gasp, Gary. At this time, the Maulers are still at CAF. The "new" NHC probably (or at least possibly) has an open ear to listen. Lawyers believe documentation shows that the CAF does own the planes. Why not at least present the documents and discuss the situation with them before the planes are hauled off and its over for good?
Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:44 pm
george, I appreciate your passion about this, but there is nothing I can do about it. I've tried every angle I could think of.
Gary
Gary
Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:48 pm
retroaviation wrote:george, I appreciate your passion about this, but there is nothing I can do about it. I've tried every angle I could think of.
Gary
Find a Native American who's friendly to the cause and store it on their land?
Ryan
Mauler
Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:16 pm
As I mentioned in my editorial in WD, I see this as a bigger issue that could eventually pertain to the little guy as well. Some may say that is alarmist, and it could be, but it is my concern. One of the specific reasons that I rejoined the CAF as a Life Member last year was because I believed they were well positioned to be the leader of the warbird movement under its new leadership. In my opinion, part of that role is projecting its influence and financial/legal abilities to project ALL warbirds, not just the CAF fleet. It is appears they are abdicating that intended role. Certainly that is their right to do.
Tim said it well. We really can't expect a large issue such as this one to be decided in one organization. The CAF is about the CAF. While the organization has laudable goals, they don't speak for all warbird owners when it comes down to it. I can understand the decisions to drop their claims regarding the AM-1's and F-82- too expensive to pursue and the first judicial look wasn't good. I don't blame the organization for redirecting resources in a world with shrinking revenue's. But this issue of title, with all the issues that have come before, has to be revisited and must be resolved. This is an issue of property rights, responsible ownership, and the government's role as the arbiter of ownership. This discussion should be made at all levels of warbird organizations, and we need a consensus to move forward, because I believe that the government is bullying us on this issue- witness the F-82 and AM-1 issues.
Another thing about the Mauler's. I am glad they are returning to their birthplace. But I deeply believe they would have been better off with Eric Downing and crew. I don't think their future is as bright as the one they had at Midland, either. I am hoping they get good care, but judging by the amount of minimallly-cared-for aircraft in possession of the museum, I don't like their chances in a salt water-proximate environment.
Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:18 pm
RyanShort1 wrote:retroaviation wrote:george, I appreciate your passion about this, but there is nothing I can do about it. I've tried every angle I could think of.
Gary
Find a Native American who's friendly to the cause and store it on their land?
Ryan
I'm a Native Texan...now just give me a minute to convince the wife that it will fit in the yard...
Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:26 pm
Ztex wrote:RyanShort1 wrote:Find a Native American who's friendly to the cause and store it on their land?
Ryan
I'm a Native Texan...now just give me a minute to convince the wife that it will fit in the yard...
If it was as simple as that, I'd have them take it to our ranch... and wave the "Come and Take It" flag. Methinks not.
The CAF should'a never changed their name. Maybe the US services would still respect them a bit more.
No flames please, just teasing!
Ryan
Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:25 am
I wouldn't call you names Ryan, you have one of the most simply put elequent statements I have ever read about the CAF.