What ever happened to these?

Second Air Force · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:29 am

James,

I'm glad to hear that the Budd is complete--I photographed it in the winter of '88/'89 and just figured that was all there was left since it has remained in more-or-less the same state ever since. Do you happen to know the Bureau number of it?

Scott

jamesintucson · **Joined:** Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:42 am **Posts:** 546

marine air wrote:

In the first photo it is of course now a Budd Conestoga with a Douglas C-47 on the left.
the second photo has in the center a fuselage of a Hunting Pembroke, to the right a fuselage of a Curtiss C-46, and to the left of the Pembroke is a Fairchild C-82 Packet fuselage. the small fuselage in the middle is a North American Bt-14 (Yale) and the fuselage to the far left is a Lockheeed F-94 Starfire.
These are just guesses for now.

All correct except the Pembroke. That is our YC-125 Raider.

http://www.pimaair.org/collection-detail.php?cid=218

James

jamesintucson · **Joined:** Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:42 am **Posts:** 546

Second Air Force wrote:

James,

I'm glad to hear that the Budd is complete--I photographed it in the winter of '88/'89 and just figured that was all there was left since it has remained in more-or-less the same state ever since. Do you happen to know the Bureau number of it?

Scott

It is 39307.

http://www.pimaair.org/collection-detail.php?cid=44

James

Second Air Force · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:37 am

Thanks, James. We really need to get back down there--it's been only twenty years! :shock:

Scott

airnutz · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:51 am

jamesintucson wrote:

Matt Gunsch wrote:

Django wrote:

Is that the only Budd surviving? No wings or tail?

Yes, that is the only one, and that is all there is to it. No wings or tail were with it when they found it in Douglas, Az

No, we have the wings and tail. They were removed to transport the plane. The only things missing are the engines, props and cowls. They were stolen while the plane was at Douglas long before the museum acquired it.

James

That's good news James! Have you folks at the museum ever heard or been able to confirm the yarn
about the 2 Budd's being pushed off into the river at Patuxent?

marine air · **Posted:** Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:57 am

Thanks James in Tucson. I thought about the tri-motored YC-125 but knew it was a taildragger and thought the last one was at the Air Force Museum.
I also noticed a light taildragger fuselage sitting in the weeds. Have no clue but am guessing it is a Commonwealth Skyranger.

jamesintucson · **Joined:** Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:42 am **Posts:** 546

marine air wrote:

Thanks James in Tucson. I thought about the tri-motored YC-125 but knew it was a taildragger and thought the last one was at the Air Force Museum.
I also noticed a light taildragger fuselage sitting in the weeds. Have no clue but am guessing it is a Commonwealth Skyranger.

Unfortunately that isn't it. I'm not sure what it is from that photo but we never had a Skyranger.

airnutz: I have never seen anything remotely official that says any were pushed into the river at Pax River. The only thing similar that I can think of is the one that crashed during testing but it didn't go in the water and was fully scrapped at the time. Everything i've seen says they all went to WAA for disposal.

James

airnutz · **Posted:** Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:53 am

jamesintucson wrote:

airnutz: I have never seen anything remotely official that says any were pushed into the river at Pax River. The only thing similar that I can think of is the one that crashed during testing but it didn't go in the water and was fully scrapped at the time. Everything i've seen says they all went to WAA for disposal.

James

Thanks Suh! I was hoping you folks could get some essential Budd bits if the tale was true... :wink:

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:22 pm

The Inspector wrote:

I believe that 'FLYING TIGERS', the airline not the group, used the CONESTOGAs for a short while after the war because they had, for the time, huge cargo holds and I think they were almost given away. Being made of stainless they pretty much won't rust and stainless has a scrap value of ZERO!

on the contrary stainless steel prices are through the roof price wise, i'm in in the marine / boating accessory business & i know 1st hand. 2ndly there are varying degrees of stainless steel quality standards, where minor rusting / pitting trouble can still be an issue according to my 2 bro inlaws in the welding business.

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