Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:29 am
I think I'm gonna' wait for the pictures of these "Zeros".
Keep in mind, to the general public (non-warbird freaks such as ourselves
) every Japanese fighter is a "Zero", just as every Limey fighter is a "Spitfire", every Kraut fighter is a "Messerschmitt" and every US fighter is the greatest airplane ever built. 
So misidentification is a very large possibility here.
Mudge the politically irreverant
ps James...
Now that there's funny. I don't care who ya' are.
Keep in mind, to the general public (non-warbird freaks such as ourselves
) every Japanese fighter is a "Zero", just as every Limey fighter is a "Spitfire", every Kraut fighter is a "Messerschmitt" and every US fighter is the greatest airplane ever built.
So misidentification is a very large possibility here.
Mudge the politically irreverant
ps James...
I tried to buy a spoof toy called 'Invisible Jim'. When the shop assistant told me there were none left, I asked him how he was sure...
Now that there's funny. I don't care who ya' are.
Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:17 pm
i think that bill has some good points that are worth considering. if we could understand what the heck the Japanese were saying we might be surprised what they really think of us. dont kid yourselves, there is no love lost between the americans and the Japanese that are old enough to know what it is all really about. a Japanese is a Japanese , a jew is a jew , a yank is an american, and a brit is british. we all know who jerry is. who cares?? what do you think they call us in their spare time?? roundeye and white devil comes to mind. yes it would be nice if we could all just get along, but the summer of love was in 1967. face reality 
. oh, and by the way, it sure would be cool to see some actual pics of some of these lost birds. the world is a big place and only the most arrogant would truly believe that we have found most if not all of the remains of wwII. there are going to be some big discoveries in the future! who would have thought in the 50's that we would be where we are or know what we know today?? there is a lot out there, count on it!.
. oh, and by the way, it sure would be cool to see some actual pics of some of these lost birds. the world is a big place and only the most arrogant would truly believe that we have found most if not all of the remains of wwII. there are going to be some big discoveries in the future! who would have thought in the 50's that we would be where we are or know what we know today?? there is a lot out there, count on it!.
LOL!
Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:43 pm
daveymac82c wrote:Holy Grail eh? hmm.... No use to me, you see... I've already got one!
-David
Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:50 pm
Every once in a while a buried aircraft is found; wasn't a P-47 recovered after finding it on an old airfield (PNG somewhere?) in the last 8 years or so? IIRC, an odd object protruding from the ground turned out to be the stub of one the mainplanes, the wing having been cutoff after the aircraft was buried on its side.
But what ever happened to the buried Spitfires in Burma, though?
cheers
greg v.
But what ever happened to the buried Spitfires in Burma, though?
cheers
greg v.
son the WAR is still on
Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:52 pm
"You never fought the war ...."
and we ARE losing...do you drive a honda or a tiota?
America doesnt build anything....thats a war. look at the economic situation.
and we ARE losing...do you drive a honda or a tiota?
America doesnt build anything....thats a war. look at the economic situation.
Re: son the WAR is still on
Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:12 pm
You never fought the war ...."
and we ARE losing...do you drive a honda or a tiota?
America doesnt build anything....thats a war. look at the economic situation.
huh?????
and we ARE losing...do you drive a honda or a tiota?
America doesnt build anything....thats a war. look at the economic situation.
huh?????
Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:20 pm
Did the Japanese use decoy aircraft on airfields? I wonder if it possible that what (if anything) was discovered in the caves could maybe be a stash of old decoys?
greg v.
greg v.
Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:36 pm
That would be funny...
Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:19 pm
Towards the end of the war the Japanese were forced to move many things underground, literally.
When I was living in Truk, one of the first things I noticed were the caves. They were everywhere. Unfortunately most were considered unsafe to enter but some were still strong. From what I was told many were just bomb shelters, but there were costal defense guns and generator stations and shops built into caves. Many caves were used for storing supplies and ammunition. I went into caves that were small and others that were rather large and intricate. There were cave down by the water for the storage and launching of manned torpedoes, and yes there were caves meant for storing and protecting aircraft.
I lived on the south airbase of Moen (Weno). Though I never saw it, I was informed there was a cave nearby that was built to hold at least two aircraft.
On Param there is a well known rumor that a cave under the hill holds an aircraft made of gold. I was told the Japanese had hidden it there at the end of the war to keep it from the Americans.
After the war many of these caves had their entrance dynamited by the Americans, many with their contents still entombed inside. A friend of mine out there related a story of people he knew, that were digging a grave shortly before I arrived . They ran into a snag when they hit metal. Digging further they uncovered a set of large doors that were locked shut. After trying unsuccessfully to break the lock they gave up and reburied the entrance.
I would have to say there is a possibility that this story of Japanese aircraft in a cave is true. It’s a great thought. I would have to say that there are most definitely Japanese aircraft all over the pacific that have been hidden underground since the war. On the flip side, I’ll believe it when I see some proof. Here’s to hoping though .
When I was living in Truk, one of the first things I noticed were the caves. They were everywhere. Unfortunately most were considered unsafe to enter but some were still strong. From what I was told many were just bomb shelters, but there were costal defense guns and generator stations and shops built into caves. Many caves were used for storing supplies and ammunition. I went into caves that were small and others that were rather large and intricate. There were cave down by the water for the storage and launching of manned torpedoes, and yes there were caves meant for storing and protecting aircraft.
I lived on the south airbase of Moen (Weno). Though I never saw it, I was informed there was a cave nearby that was built to hold at least two aircraft.
On Param there is a well known rumor that a cave under the hill holds an aircraft made of gold. I was told the Japanese had hidden it there at the end of the war to keep it from the Americans.
After the war many of these caves had their entrance dynamited by the Americans, many with their contents still entombed inside. A friend of mine out there related a story of people he knew, that were digging a grave shortly before I arrived . They ran into a snag when they hit metal. Digging further they uncovered a set of large doors that were locked shut. After trying unsuccessfully to break the lock they gave up and reburied the entrance.
I would have to say there is a possibility that this story of Japanese aircraft in a cave is true. It’s a great thought. I would have to say that there are most definitely Japanese aircraft all over the pacific that have been hidden underground since the war. On the flip side, I’ll believe it when I see some proof. Here’s to hoping though .
Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:40 pm
I'd be a little hard pressed to believe in an "Aircraft made of Gold" In the first place, the weight would be pretty well unflyable. Second, even if they got the weight down, the thickness of the skin sheets would have to be pretty thick, gold just doesn't have the strength...
Perhaps it was an aircraft full of gold...
Robbie
Perhaps it was an aircraft full of gold...
Robbie
Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:59 pm
or maybe gold colored....sounds like something the "natives" on Gilligan's Island would say.
greg v.
greg v.
Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:02 pm
I was thinking the aircraft might not be full size myself.
Interesting story at any rate. Who knows there might be some truth as well.
Does anyone out there want to fund me on a search for Japanese gold?
Interesting story at any rate. Who knows there might be some truth as well.
Does anyone out there want to fund me on a search for Japanese gold?
Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:33 am
HELLDIVERS wrote:Oh ya I'm still waiting to see the photos of all the P-38s they discovered buried at Clark FieldOf the hundreds claimed to be there still not one photo
That "rumor" was started and perpetuated by one former member here at WIX that was later found out to be false. The individual in question made many such claims about "discoveries", every single one of which ultimately did not pan out.
While there's a definite possibility that there are lots of undiscovered Japanese stuff out there, it sounds like this one may be a "tall tale".
I have friends who supposedly know of several pristine Zero's, hidden in the Pacific, but until pictures or a recovery is staged, they will remain optimistic rumors.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:42 am
Ahhhh...So if ya haven't read a rumor by 10....Start one.....
I also "heard" that there is a Hangar under Fliegerhorst Kasern Hanau Army Airfield, Germany, that has a few intact acft sitting in under ground hangars which are flooded, as well as "boobie Trapped" - yeah right...like the army is going to conduct operations over a boobie trapped former german airfield... back in the late..late 70's or early 80's they found a 500 pounder near the POL site at Schwabish Hall...they evacuated the installation...Granted Hanua Army Air Field has a "history" but getting authorization to go under it...unlikely.
I also "heard" that there is a Hangar under Fliegerhorst Kasern Hanau Army Airfield, Germany, that has a few intact acft sitting in under ground hangars which are flooded, as well as "boobie Trapped" - yeah right...like the army is going to conduct operations over a boobie trapped former german airfield... back in the late..late 70's or early 80's they found a 500 pounder near the POL site at Schwabish Hall...they evacuated the installation...Granted Hanua Army Air Field has a "history" but getting authorization to go under it...unlikely.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:07 am
There is still talk of WWII aircraft and military goods bulldozed under at many of the WWII USAAF 8th AF bases in Engend- and people have gone and found some of them- with ground anomoly detectors, but haven't been allowed to dig them up and see what they've found... The US government, rather then bring many things home, often did dig and bury, as well as ditch at sea... I was reading one account of them just rolling stuff off one of the carriers into the Pacific near Australia. And remember at the end of the Viet Nam War, they flew choppers out to the carriers, unloaded the peope and tiped them right off into the ocean- sometimes still running! Of course, that was a space issue more than anythng I'm sure...
Robbie
Robbie