Warbird Information Exchange

The problem that I have is that he is probably a drug addict. I grew up in the rural out skirts of Pittsburgh, but I went to school in the city. Drugs are a problem there, and I have no remorse for someone that is hooked on theem. It is their own fault. I was in the same enviroment they were in, and have never touched them. If I could do it, then so could they.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

How sad...

All of the people out there are so nice and the director is such a nice guy... my goodness. Well, I am glad that it sounds like everyone is alright now, physically anyhow... and that the damage wasn't worse. Will be out there this weekend, will keep you posted if I hear anything new.

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"It is the greatest shot of adrenaline to be doing what you have wanted to do so badly. You almost feel like you could fly without the plane." Charles Lindbergh

Given that two of those three comments are mine I have to respond, but I really don't want to keep pulling this thread in this direction as this is more of an O club topic imho and shouldn't detract from the reason this was posted in the first place, so after this I'll say no more about it.

Victims of crime often have no more tolerance for the "Summer of Love" approach to dealing with garbage like this - drug fueled or not - and given that this individual likely never was or will become a contributing member of society but is instead a parasite and cancer for the rest of us to deal with (and pay for, and suffer a correspondingly lower level of enjoyment, fullfillment and security in our own lives because of) then yes, termination with extreme prejudice or whatever euphamism you choose to use gets my express approval.

I hope his victims and the people that were harmed by him (physically, emotionally, and financially) receive similiar concern. I stand by my remarks.

Dan

We all want to be in the pilot seat of a B-17, sounds like he got a little confused about the intermediate steps to get there. Remember a few years ago Hugh Grant was arrested in LA for soliciting the female impersonator? I thought, What kind of drugs are that strong?

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

That is funny Bill.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Leno asking him about a few days later was REALLY funny!

I'm a cop and I deal with people like this all the time. They'll take their meds and they will start feeling better and stop hearing the voices. Then they think they don't need their meds anymore. They go off the deep end and do something stupid. Unfortunately we can't force people to take their meds thanks to the ACLU. So now we have to let them roam the streets causing havoc.

If some one isn't willing to take their meds, and without the meds they are a hazzard to the rest of us, then I don't think they should be allowed out. They should have to be in a facility until they are well enough to function.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Mustangdriver, re drugs. A few years back I was working in a program that provides a brief vacation for big city kids who have began to get into legal trouble. Most of them seem pretty nice, but the come from tough backgrounds. During lunch 2 boys came over to talk. They were actually out of jail on parole to do this program. We were talking about their drug use and their problems. Me being an educated liberal white guy figured I had all the answers and a few words from me was going to help them. So I advised them to hang out with a better crowd when they got home and stay away from drug dealers. One guy was almost in tears when he said he can't do that. I said why not and he said, "It's my Uncle and my Father."Suddenly I didn't have anymore easy answers.

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

That is indeed sad Bill. I am not sure what to tell someone to do when the people they are supposed to look to for answers is the person that is the problem.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Dan,

Yes.......I agree with you completely regarding "termination with extreme prejudice". It is appropriate----and I know some people don't like it......too bad.

I live about 30 miles from the museum and have visited it many times. I have taken friends, relatives, and WWII vets to that museum and have been very happy with the enjoyment and education that a visit to Evergreen has brought to those folks.

No, I don't have ANY tolerance for a destructive scumbag that does things like that.......I don't give a darn whether he has a dope "problem" or not!!
There is too much acceptance and forgiveness of absurd behavior in current times. A little bit of the good old days "payment and punishment" might serve to curtail this type of insane lawless behavior. I am positive it would produce more concrete results than a few weeks of "violence encounter sessions"!!!

I gotta side with Tigercat on that statment. If someone did that at the NMUSAF, I would want some justice, but then again he wouldn't get past the girls with the M-16's.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Maybe the judge will give him "Community Service" as opposed to jail time. (let's face it, he's not going to jail). Here's an idea.

Give him about 250 cans of Never-Dull, some rubber gloves, and a case of Red Bull and let him polish the B-17. When he's done with that, make him count all the rivets visible on the outside of the plane. Clearly, he's already two or three french fries short of a Happy Meal so there's no need to worry about driving him insane. I guess you could give him some beef jerky to chew on just in case he feels the need to bite something again.

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Albert Stix Jr.
"Work is the curse of the drinking class"

Yeah, lets get 'em! When it's something REALLY important like WARBIRDS, who needs to have a fair justice system!! Let's just take them out back and string 'em up!

Let's "terminate" someone who is never going to be a contribution to society, yeah!



Is this the country that I'm defending every day??

If you guys were to spend some time in other countries on the planet where there IS no criminal justice system -- where being "accused" is as good as being "convicted", you might have a different view on things.

The fact that we even have a country that recognizes human rights, and has a legal system that even hints at a fair process is amazing -- so many other places on the planet to NOT have that. If you feel that the system in the US is bad, you need to get a little perspective by seeing just how the rest of the world outside the northern/western hemisphere lives.

If you favor outlaw justice, try someplace like Somalia or Eritrea, where there IS no recognized rule of law.

I realize that this discussion if half tongue-in-cheek, but are you really reading what you guys are writing?

Randy, I want to chime in and thank you for trying to drag this discussion back towards sanity. Unfortunately, there seems to be a strong undercurrent in our society which believes societal ills can be improved at gunpoint or by increasing application of brute force. I'm not sure where they got that idea, as it hasn't worked for the previous several thousand years of human history, but it doesn't stop them from believing it.

My wife works as a crime analyst for a local police department, and spent four years as a magistrate before that (on the night shift, no less). Hearing her stories, and actually seeing what the PD has to deal with on a regular basis, has really changed how I look at such behavior as well as our criminal "justice" system. It's broken, no doubt about it, but there are no easy answers.

When your entire natural life from the point of birth is spent around drugs and violence, when your father could be any one of several different men but you just don't know because he doesn't come around, and your mother's in the back room blazin' up, and she beats you when you bother her... explain to me how that kid is supposed to "know better". No easy answers.