Mon May 15, 2006 11:37 am
My recommendation is to ask him if he has ever crashed before...Mudge wrote: Pilot will probably be Steve Hinton. Can he be trusted?
P.S. Don't tell him I said that!
Mon May 15, 2006 12:10 pm
bdk wrote:My recommendation is to ask him if he has ever crashed before...Mudge wrote: Pilot will probably be Steve Hinton. Can he be trusted?
P.S. Don't tell him I said that!
Which brings up a very good point. As a passenger you may be in the hands of one of the worlds best pilots, like Steve, but you BOTH are still strapped in a 60 plus year old piece of equipment. I would add that you not only take particular care in selecting whom you will fly with, but also carefully review a safety and emergency procedure with that person before getting into the airplane. Your survival in an emergency situation may well depend on that conversation. If it doesn't pass the sniff test, it might be a rat...take a pass on the offer.....
John
CC CAF P-51C
PS: Mudge, you don't really wanna fly in that 'ol P-38 do ya? If you must....practice rolling up in your tightest fetal possition! Give her a big hug for me. I've only seen her once since she left Planes of Fame East in the late 90's...
Mon May 15, 2006 12:34 pm
John...Yeah, I've given that "fetal position" some thought. From what I've seen of any P-38, if you're in that back "seat" (and I use that term loosely) the only "emergency procedure" I've been able to picture is the famous "Put your head between your legs and kiss your tushy goodbye." scenario. I'll be very lucky to squeeze this 6'6" 250 lb. body in there. With a parachute on...No chance, Sundance. We shall see....
Mudge the hopeful
Think prayer would help?
Mudge the hopeful
Think prayer would help?
???
Mon May 15, 2006 12:55 pm
Just remember that if you here the pilot say this during your brief think twice. "If something happens and I have to jump, the airplanes yours!"
Been there and didn't do that!
Been there and didn't do that!
Re: ???
Mon May 15, 2006 1:13 pm
Jack Cook wrote:Just remember that if you here the pilot say this during your brief think twice. "If something happens and I have to jump, the airplanes yours!"
Been there and didn't do that!
A "trial by fire" way to warbird ownership..something tells me if you managed
to get 'er down, the jumper would have no recollection of "the bargain"!
Mon May 15, 2006 1:44 pm
Mudge wrote:John...Yeah, I've given that "fetal position" some thought. From what I've seen of any P-38, if you're in that back "seat" (and I use that term loosely) the only "emergency procedure" I've been able to picture is the famous "Put your head between your legs and kiss your tushy goodbye." scenario. I'll be very lucky to squeeze this 6'6" 250 lb. body in there. With a parachute on...No chance, Sundance. We shall see....
Mudge the hopeful
Think prayer would help?
I don't know Mudge... I don't want to rain on your parade so I'll say prayer and diet might help but where in gods name are you going to put all that leg length and height?. You sit "Indian" style in the back and lean forward over your legs. Comfort is not an option. I'm 6'2" and 200 pounds and never even considered getting in the back of it! Wear spandex, grease your hips and give it whirl I guess...Parachute? No fitty! It wouldn't help much since odds are you wont be able to get out anyway. The upside of that is twin engine reliability...plus they are Allisons and not man killers I mean Merlins!!! I remember when Lane Wallace rode from Chino to Minneapolis in the jump seat...when she got up here she could get out of the airplane but she had the oddest gate for several days!
John
Mon May 15, 2006 6:11 pm
John Beyl wrote:Mudge wrote:John...Yeah, I've given that "fetal position" some thought. From what I've seen of any P-38, if you're in that back "seat" (and I use that term loosely) the only "emergency procedure" I've been able to picture is the famous "Put your head between your legs and kiss your tushy goodbye." scenario. I'll be very lucky to squeeze this 6'6" 250 lb. body in there. With a parachute on...No chance, Sundance. We shall see....
Mudge the hopeful
Think prayer would help?
I don't know Mudge... I don't want to rain on your parade so I'll say prayer and diet might help but where in gods name are you going to put all that leg length and height?. You sit "Indian" style in the back and lean forward over your legs. Comfort is not an option. I'm 6'2" and 200 pounds and never even considered getting in the back of it! Wear spandex, grease your hips and give it whirl I guess...Parachute? No fitty! It wouldn't help much since odds are you wont be able to get out anyway. The upside of that is twin engine reliability...plus they are Allisons and not man killers I mean Merlins!!! I remember when Lane Wallace rode from Chino to Minneapolis in the jump seat...when she got up here she could get out of the airplane but she had the oddest gate for several days!
John
I rode with Lefty many years ago and still have a smile
You will be amazed how quiet it is and how fast it goes down hill. Yeah, the chute would not be a option. Really, its not that bad and you will always remember it......
Cheers,
Lynn
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Re: ??
Mon May 15, 2006 7:48 pm
Jack Cook wrote:I wonder why the center flap segment is not extended?
Many if not all 'G' models had the center flap wired in the up position has do many flying T-6s nowadays. I've been told this basically makes the flaps pitch adjusters. now over to the experts.
Thats not true, I owned a "G" model, have an inspection authorization, performed many annual inspections on T-6's, Harvards, SNJ's, and many of the CAF Tora aircraft. Only the planes licenced in Experimental had the center flaps wired up. There is no STC or approved data to make a flap segment inoperative. The flap position cable is connected to the center flap, and a means of indicating flap position is required equipment per CAR 3, which the aircraft is certified to.
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Mon May 15, 2006 9:13 pm
Only the planes licenced in Experimental had the center flaps wired up
I can think of a number off hand with no center flap and in standard catagory. I wonder what the % is of flying T-6s??? I've always been told the G's had the center flaps wired up when in the service.
Mon May 15, 2006 9:29 pm
Some of the G models had the center flaps wired shut for the
reasons mentioned (ostensibly, to minimize the "blanking out"
of the rudder during the transision period as the tail is lowered
during a landing roll-out).
There are a hand-full flying around with the center flap wired
shut (of particular note, more than one of the NA-50 / P-64 replicas
flying have the center flap wired shut).
The type certificate for the T-6 (a-2-575) states, and I quote:
Under Note 2 ("The following must be accomplished prior to original
certification of the aircraft").
"On Model T-6G determine that the center wing flap is in the operative
condition"
Bela P. Havasreti
reasons mentioned (ostensibly, to minimize the "blanking out"
of the rudder during the transision period as the tail is lowered
during a landing roll-out).
There are a hand-full flying around with the center flap wired
shut (of particular note, more than one of the NA-50 / P-64 replicas
flying have the center flap wired shut).
The type certificate for the T-6 (a-2-575) states, and I quote:
Under Note 2 ("The following must be accomplished prior to original
certification of the aircraft").
"On Model T-6G determine that the center wing flap is in the operative
condition"
Bela P. Havasreti
Re: ???
Tue May 16, 2006 12:21 pm
Jack Cook wrote:Just remember that if you here the pilot say this during your brief think twice. "If something happens and I have to jump, the airplanes yours!"
If the pilot bails and the passenger successfully lands the plane, then I think the plane should then belong to the passenger.
Tue May 16, 2006 12:27 pm
In 2003 I had the opportunity to fly from Camarillo to Carson city Nev.in a T-28 on our way to Reno races.I didnt know the pilot, the plane or any service history /details.I said no thanks and flew in comfort in theTurbo prop Kingair
I sometimes wonder,but no.
I sometimes wonder,but no.
Tue May 16, 2006 12:48 pm
I have a freind who had similar bailout experience during his flight training at Whiting NAS. He was in a T-34C with an instructor in back when he took a turkey buzzard through the windshield. He was knocked unconscious, it smashed his face, broke his jaw, and he lost some teeth. The instructor had a ball of goo in his lap that thought was his students head. The instructor propmtly departed the aircraft. The student in front comes to and finds himself in a gentle climb with no instructor in sight. Fortunately he realized that he was close to an auxiliary field in Mississippi that they used for training and landed the plane. The officer monitoring the practice came up, looked at the student and the lanyard flapping against the rear of the plane and asked him " where's your instructor "? Said student through the blood and missing teeth," about fifty miles back sir" ! The student received an air medal BEFORE he got his wings. The instructor got a new callsign and went on to new duties.
Oh yeah, the Navy kept the airplane.
Oh yeah, the Navy kept the airplane.
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:21 pm
A recent question to me about going for a ride in a warbird without knowing the pilot made me do the bump thing here.
Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:08 pm
dont do it Jack, ride pilots are very dangerous and usually hung over.