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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:21 pm 
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Waiting for Kermit to restore a B29 or B17 is the equivalent of expecting Steve Perry to step on stage with Journey and hit every note like it’s 1981. Or even play a live show . It’s not going to ever happen. (26 years since Puerto Rico , his last full show)


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So him in Florida and I asked him about Fertile Myrtle, if he plans to restore it to airworthy someday. He answered he sure does. I suppose it still depends on his time and of course money.

He says that with all of his aircraft. In fact, I don't know of any aircraft he has been asked about that he said, "no, it's only static and will not be restored to airworthy condition or fly again", besides maybe his wrecked DC-3 and/or Connie that he uses as giant billboards on the side of the road. It's his standard diplomatic answer. Kermit is an eternal optimist who says every aircraft in his care will eventually be rebuilt to fly again. I like that attitude, but it is in no way realistic. If you look at his track record of how long it takes for each aircraft to be restored, including some that are still multi-decade efforts, it does not bode well. Kermit is 67 years old, soon to be 68 this summer.

Let's do some public math. Let's assume that 20 aircraft are more or less airworthy, or could be with not too extensive annuals/IRANS. There are currently 160 aircraft in his collection. That means there are approximately 140 aircraft that need restoration. Let's assume that Kermit wants to have this goal completed before he turns 87, which is 20 years from now. I think we can likely surmise that he probably won't be flying anything beyond this age. Since he almost never lets anybody fly his aircraft, we can assume that the collection will be grounded then as well. So, he has 140 more aircraft to restore in 20 years. That equates to 7 completed aircraft restorations each year from now until the next 20 years. Kermit has probably restored 7 aircraft to flight in the last 20 years. There is no way this is going to happen, especially since he is the first to admit that he doesn't have enough money to even keep his museum open, much less spend a significant amount on that many restorations in the future.

All of this means that it is highly likely that only a few more aircraft will be restored to flying condition. Though he says the B-29 is one of those goals, I would be willing to bet it will never happen. The cost of restoring his B-29 to flying condition would likely cost at least 10 to 20 Million dollars, possibly more, assuming no major corrosion issues are found (i.e.- new wing spars, etc.) I don't see him shelling out that kind of money for a B-29, when he could restore 5 to 10 single engine fighters for the same cost.

All of this is not a knock against Kermit, whatsoever. I'm simply trying to illustrate that people must manage their expectations. It is highly unrealistic to expect Kermit to restore to airworthy, the B-29, B-17, Sunderland or any of his other "big" projects during his lifetime. At best, we can expect maybe a half dozen more complex (i.e.- other than light) warbirds to be restored, in my opinion.

Kermit is an absolutely fantastic ambassador to aviation and warbirds specifically, but the vast majority of his collection will never fly under his ownership. As long as people know that, us hardcore fans will never be disappointed. Sometimes I think Kermit gives that standard answer of "everything will be restored to airworthy", just to keep people from hounding him about timelines and which aircraft is going to be restored next. In fact, I would probably do the same, if I were in his shoes.


And he is trying to finance Act III at the same time. Lots of irons in the fire.

Very true! He does have a lot of irons in the fire. He's repeatedly mentioned publically that he is trying to make FoF self-sufficient, or at least a "break even" proposition from a financial perspective. Apparently that has not been happening, hence Act III or another business plan to facilitate that.

Also, something that a lot of people don't realize is where he is coming from in relation to his museum/aircraft/collection. Yes, he does like aircraft and flying them, but the main reason he collects and restores aircraft has nothing to do with them as machines. He likes the aircraft because they are facilitators and tell a story. That story is the victory of the human spirit to overcome severe adversity, achieve success, and have no limits in the realization of the human dream. Ever wonder why he gives a lot of emphasis (as he should) towards WASP female pilots, the Tuskegee airman, and other lesser known people in aviation, etc? It has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness or the current fad of "virtue signaling", and everything to do with illustrating the triumph of the human spirit to overcome adversity, despite debilitating conditions. He's been like this for many decades before it was popular to do so. Anyone who has been following Kermit for a while can easily see this theme and he's mentioned it many times in his writings/posts. In fact, he's hinted on his videos and social media that Act III will not "just be an air museum", but something rather unique. It will employ and utilize those New Age beliefs that he often talks about, and as exemplified in the earlier linked facebook video.


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I'm surprised that anyone is surprised.....

Weeks has had project stuff for 30 years that still haven't been started.....!

I think its being generous to say he might get another half a dozen projects completed in his remaining lifetime.....I'd be surprised if its that much.
Kermit's problem is he is a serial hoarder, like many obsessive collectors. That has meant that much 'stuff' has been saved, but the question is more what has he put in place for what happens to all this stuff after he's shuffled off this planet.

We've seen whats happened to or likely to happen to Paul Allen's FHC, so one wonders what will happen to all of Kermits stuff in 5, 10, 20 years time?
Could be one hell of a fire sale!


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Reincarnation before restoration. Sounds reasonable to me!

Ooo, good point! Maybe that's what Kermit means when he talks about all of the aircraft being restored to flying condition? Maybe he means that whatever reincarnated version of himself exists in the future will be the one to finish the restorations of the massive hoard he has collected. Perhaps we've been misinterpreting his statement of "all aircraft will be restored to flying condition under his care". Maybe it was never his intention all along to restore his aircraft under the ownership of his current life form. :shock:


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My only thought here is that to begin to approach breaking even, you have to be "Open for business" - my understanding - correct me where I am wrong - is that FoF is not open on a regular schedule - or that the hours are really odd.
The challenge is you cannot approach the business with a heart full of love for airplanes. You have to apporach the business as a business. Does keeping all of them make financial sense? Do the hours make sense? whatever you do has to make broad financial sense because, "without the bucks, there is no buck rodgers".

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My only thought here is that to begin to approach breaking even, you have to be "Open for business" - my understanding - correct me where I am wrong - is that FoF is not open on a regular schedule - or that the hours are really odd.
The challenge is you cannot approach the business with a heart full of love for airplanes. You have to apporach the business as a business. Does keeping all of them make financial sense? Do the hours make sense? whatever you do has to make broad financial sense because, "without the bucks, there is no buck rodgers".

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I've always assumed turning your collection (cars, airplanes, whatever) into a museum/business is a great way to help defray the expenses of the hobby. Imagine what Kermit made when FOF was open. Even if it was less than the total spend, he was covering part of his expenses with the revenue AND was able to write-off the financial losses from the business. You can't write off your expenses unless you're running a commercial enterprise.


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Has anyone got a list of aircraft that are being currently restored? I know there is the 2 CAC Boomerangs and a P-40 being rebuilt down under.


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Has anyone got a list of aircraft that are being currently restored? I know there is the 2 CAC Boomerangs and a P-40 being rebuilt down under.

I'm unsure how current they are, but there's the Kawasaki K-61 and Vought OS2U at Ardmore in New Zealand. Going from memory and a quick look at Kermie Cams and Mechanic's Corner videos, aircraft in the US being restored or repaired are:
- Lockheed Vega
- Seversky P-35
- Standard J-1
- Douglas A-26
- Messerschmitt Bf-108
- Boeing F4B
- Boeing 100
- Ford Tri-Motor
- Vultee BT-15 (was very, very close to flying I thought)
- Sikorsky S-38
- Curtiss JN-4D
- Focke-Wulf FW-44

And then there's the Polikarpov I-16, maybe the most recent acquisition, and the more "project" Yak-9 and Sikorsky S-55. And was the Sopwith Pup replica repaired after the cowling departure?

Recently Paul Stecewycz(sp?) posted in the WIX Facebook group they were looking for a new employee and an apprentice for the aircraft restoration shop, so they must have work.

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Also a Messerschmitt 109 in Canada
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Reincarnation before restoration. Sounds reasonable to me!

Ooo, good point! Maybe that's what Kermit means when he talks about all of the aircraft being restored to flying condition? Maybe he means that whatever reincarnated version of himself exists in the future will be the one to finish the restorations of the massive hoard he has collected. Perhaps we've been misinterpreting his statement of "all aircraft will be restored to flying condition under his care". Maybe it was never his intention all along to restore his aircraft under the ownership of his current life form. :shock:



How could one leave property to one's future self/incarnation/being? :roll:
Or is he counting his future self being born lucky/wealthy and will somehow manage to acquire the aircraft to finish them?

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That A-26 invader project has been painfully slow i forget its even around still. Really wish that B-17 and that completely intact B-24 got up and flying. But even if all these planes were restored and flying he doesnt do airshows or tour soooo unless im going to florida well never see them

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There is also a P-51A being restored in California IIRC


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That A-26 invader project has been painfully slow i forget its even around still.
Still at Aero Trader at Chino and has had its initial engine runs.


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OD/NG wrote:
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Reincarnation before restoration. Sounds reasonable to me!

Ooo, good point! Maybe that's what Kermit means when he talks about all of the aircraft being restored to flying condition? Maybe he means that whatever reincarnated version of himself exists in the future will be the one to finish the restorations of the massive hoard he has collected. Perhaps we've been misinterpreting his statement of "all aircraft will be restored to flying condition under his care". Maybe it was never his intention all along to restore his aircraft under the ownership of his current life form. :shock:


This is how I took it. When one considers Weeks is taking the long view, they mean the really long view. Like an entirety of space and time supplied by endless lives and life forms. If you believe that you've already lived multiple lives in aviation on this planet, and perhaps others, then what is a few years in one body?

But as can be seen on this thread, and elsewhere in the realm of science and physics, there is some evidence based doubt to that could be applied to this theory.


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Reincarnation before restoration. Sounds reasonable to me!

Ooo, good point! Maybe that's what Kermit means when he talks about all of the aircraft being restored to flying condition? Maybe he means that whatever reincarnated version of himself exists in the future will be the one to finish the restorations of the massive hoard he has collected. Perhaps we've been misinterpreting his statement of "all aircraft will be restored to flying condition under his care". Maybe it was never his intention all along to restore his aircraft under the ownership of his current life form. :shock:



How could one leave property to one's future self/incarnation/being? :roll:
Or is he counting his future self being born lucky/wealthy and will somehow manage to acquire the aircraft to finish them?


You've definitely spotted a loophole in the plan. Though I'm sure Weeks has considered this in his long view. He's no dummy.

Once again though, if one truly believes that you are living multiple lives across time and space, then leaving a horde of aviation from one lifetime to the next seems like a minor obstacle to overcome, doesn't it? If you have all of time to play with, then if they objects are sold off or spread apart, then what's to stop you from bringing them back together one at a time over the millennia?


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