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Steve Nelson · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:19 pm

mike furline wrote:

It's a Henschel Hs 126.

D'oh! That upper wing had me thinking seaplane, and led myself down the wrong path. Concur on the Henschel.

SN

airnutz · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:43 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

109 air racers?

Yep the 109 air racers have come up before in discussion. Part of the midsummer festival held at Utti AFB, Finland in 1949. Four Gustav's in codes A,B,C, D. Here's a link to Wings Palette of some color plates for some of those birds as well one from the 1950 race.
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/8/33/88/0

EDIT
Hmmm, linky no worky. You'll have to got to http://wp.scn.ru/ , select ww2 fighters, BF.109G-6, and Finnish Air Force.

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2636

The Inspector wrote:

A) why were the degree lines painted on the outside and did the gunner have to climb out on the strut to check the angle?

B) laid out like that, the lines would seem to be more indicative of recovery angles or how to differentiate between a stall angle and a REALLY deep stall angle unless the 126 dive bombed inverted 'zo, how are zu liking us now?' :roll:

I believe the sighting lines were used by the Guy In Back. A photographer, who stood up, leaned out, and photo reconned "old school" style.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:06 pm

mike furline wrote:

The Inspector wrote:

A) why were the degree lines painted on the outside and did the gunner have to climb out on the strut to check the angle?

B) laid out like that, the lines would seem to be more indicative of recovery angles or how to differentiate between a stall angle and a REALLY deep stall angle unless the 126 dive bombed inverted 'zo, how are zu liking us now?' :roll:

I believe the sighting lines were used by the Guy In Back. A photographer, who stood up, leaned out, and photo reconned "old school" style.

Anyone else suspect perhaps Ex Spanish Civil War black meatballs under L2 & 37?

N3Njeff · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:08 pm

51fixer wrote:

Randy Wilson wrote:

I think the "German Stearman" is a Heinkel He 50A.

Randy

German Stearman or German N3N? :wink:

Must have been a N3N, the germans knew Quality

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:26 pm

Must be German N3N......................Stearmans are much prettier!

Cubs · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:57 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

This thread consists of a few random photos of happenings, places and things I have no idea what the heck??? I'll try to take a guess.

Where are these locations? I know Farnsborough is the first one, but the others could be Farnsborough again 1956?

Hope not too much brain overload this morning for ya's :wink:

Fascinating photographs

What is the aircraft off the left wing of the Vulcan? looks like it has over-under engines

The American military aircraft collection:
Is that the Lockheed Constitution in the background?

Anybody ID the location? How many civilian, SW/Western airports could handle a B-58?

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Wildchild · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:07 pm

In the second picture of the airshow(s) I see a B-58 Hustler, two C-45, two C-47's, A Vulcan, F-100 series fighters, two Electra's, a Conny, a B-47 (?), and a DeHavlind Comet (?)

JDK · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:22 pm

Cubs wrote:

What is the aircraft off the left wing of the Vulcan? looks like it has over-under engines

Short Sperrin. It was the insurance design in case the three V bombers failed.

And just to avoid any minor errors getting taken as correct, it's Farnborough, Hampshire. Not 'Farnsborough' and there are three Farnboroughs in the UK, but only one with the international bi-annual trade show. Likewise it's de Havilland, with a lower case 'd' and a gap. But yes, it's a Comet jet airliner.

Going back to the Hs 126, it's remarkably similar to contemporary USAAC photo reccon aircraft, except it was used for real in a shooting war. A Luftwaffe commander famously said that those that mastered photo recon in W.W.II would win the war. He was right, but it was of course only one of the factors. Notably the British developments galvanised by the pirate adventurer Sidney Cotton in Photo Reconnaissance were one of the areas of reverse lend lease as the USAAC/F long range strategic PR was completely inadequate, hence the Mosquito and PR Spitfire in the NMUSAF. (The other main reverse lend lease was night fighters.)

It's possible they're obliterated Spanish Fascist markings on the Hs 126, but just as possible changed cross position and exercise marking ('red force' type thing.)

Regards,

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JDK · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:09 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

And I was refering to the "Tri-annual Farnsborough Georgia USA all-England air extravaganza" as to a guess for those airshow photos. :wink:

Of course. Silly me, the famous show. :lol:

more seriously, the Helldiver being 'loaded' seems a puzzler, but it was designed to take a torpedo.

Quote:

Bombs: in internal bay: 2,000 lb (900 kg) of bombs or 1 × Mark 13-2 torpedo[41]
on underwing hardpoints: 500 lb (225 kg) of bombs each

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_SB ... lldiver.29

I also like the Messerschmitt racers - back to the 108's heritage there.

Mark Allen M wrote:

Don't think this has been answered so far, Bristol 188 experimental stainless-steel aircraft. It looked fast, but like the Douglas Stiletto, it wasn't as fast as it was supposed to be. However it does survive, and is on show at the RAF Museum Cosford.

Dan Jones · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:13 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

This thread consists of a few random photos of happenings, places and things I have no idea what the heck??? I'll try to take a guess.

Corsair engine warmers?

An infamous "Herman Nelson" heater pre-heating a pair of F4U's. On a cold winter morning, Herman was your very bestest friend!

Mark Allen M · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm **Posts:** 7827

The Inspector · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:25 pm

I mentioned the 188 in my initial posting.

Still no answer about the U.S. air show site, but IF that DC-3 is from BONANZA AIRLINES, they were a second level and operated in the Nevada, California, Arizona region, the F-27 in the middle of the photo might be the first one delivered to BONANZA or the FAIRCHILD demonstrator, the first U.S. F-27 went to West Coast Airlines in Seattle N2704, so my guess is Burbank because of the prototype 880, the DELTA DC-8 probably -11 series, and the 707-320 tail on in the middle, the Boeing @ the top I originally misidentified as a 707 is actually a shiny new KC-135 with it's MCD open.

The 1956 Farnborough picture is pretty evocative of the hopes and not so sparkling future of post war British aviation. Percivel Procters, SCOTTISH AVIATION Pioneers, DH Dove, at least 3 GLOSTER JAVELINS, at least three evolutions from VAMPIRE to T Mk VENOM and on and on with 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' depressing

Cubs · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:31 pm

Notice the markings on the B-58 vertical fin. Isn't that the first -58?
I'm going with McCarran field: Looks like the Lockheed Constitution in the background, it sat at McCarran for some time. Someone mentioned Bonanza Air Lines,(Las Vegas based) they had DC-3's and bought Fokker F-27's (one's in the photo). What other place in the SW USA would host such an extravaganza of aircraft besides 'Vegas?

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