YAM & The Smithsonian

Mudge · **Posted:** Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:06 pm

Steve Nelson wrote:

Ya know, there's a key on your keyboard called a "period." You might want to look into it.

Oh...I just thought it was the longest, single sentence I'd ever seen. :roll:

Mudge the dialectician and grammarian :wink:

Stephan Wilkinson · **Joined:** Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:23 am **Posts:** 699

The man is incomprehensible. I have absolutely no idea what he's talking/writing about.

kalamazookid · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:43 am

You know, I see where Capt. Grumply makes his points. It is kind of disappointing to see projects like the AT-11/C-45 abandoned when they could have flown. I think the area where we differ is that I think telling the story of local aviation history is every bit as important as telling the larger story. I think the Franklin glider, the B-24 project and the PB4Y are every bit as important, if not more so, than having flyable trainer/liaison aircraft. I might be in the minority with this viewpoint, but if these aircraft and exhibits lead to more visitors, I'm all for it.

I would love to see the C-45 and the AT-11 both fly someday with the Yankee Air Force. If that doesn't happen for the sake of getting the PB4Y and other aircraft indoors however, I'm all for it. Maybe by giving the A-7 and potentially other aircraft away, the museum is doing those particular airframes a service by allowing them to be potentially displayed indoors elsewhere. Although, maybe I'm just an optimist and am missing the point... I can see where it would be frustrating for a member. I was a member for the Air Zoo for a long period of time and when they became more amusement and tourist based, I withdrew my membership. I just hope Yankee doesn't go down the same path and continues to preserve aviation history in the same high quality they have done so with the B-17, B-25, and C-47. Maybe I'm missing the "point", but as long as these aircraft stay airworthy with the museum I will view them as at least a favorably successful story.

lowpass · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:35 pm

capt.grumpyly · **Posted:** Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:13 am

kalamazookid wrote:

You know, I see where Capt. Grumply makes his points. It is kind of disappointing to see projects like the AT-11/C-45 abandoned when they could have flown. I think the area where we differ is that I think telling the story of local aviation history is every bit as important as telling the larger story. I think the Franklin glider, the B-24 project and the PB4Y are every bit as important, if not more so, than having flyable trainer/liaison aircraft. I might be in the minority with this viewpoint, but if these aircraft and exhibits lead to more visitors, I'm all for it.

I would love to see the C-45 and the AT-11 both fly someday with the Yankee Air Force. If that doesn't happen for the sake of getting the PB4Y and other aircraft indoors however, I'm all for it. Maybe by giving the A-7 and potentially other aircraft away, the museum is doing those particular airframes a service by allowing them to be potentially displayed indoors elsewhere. Although, maybe I'm just an optimist and am missing the point... I can see where it would be frustrating for a member. I was a member for the Air Zoo for a long period of time and when they became more amusement and tourist based, I withdrew my membership. I just hope Yankee doesn't go down the same path and continues to preserve aviation history in the same high quality they have done so with the B-17, B-25, and C-47. Maybe I'm missing the "point", but as long as these aircraft stay airworthy with the museum I will view them as at least a favorably successful story.

Chappie · **Joined:** Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am **Posts:** 987

lowpass wrote:

Normally I wouldn't post in thread like this but the incoherent Capt is right about Yankee. I could write you 50 pages on all of the stupid things that have occurred at Yankee over the years or that still occur at there on a day to day a basis. To keep it brief, I'll just say they've screwed up a lot of really nice artifacts and have completely destroyed quite a few as well. It really is quite sad and truly disappointing. Hangar Happenings is a joke. The people that run that place, with a few notable exceptions, are basically morons with more business selling women's shoes than running a museum. Currently they're spending about $40k a month and bringing barely a fraction of that in return. Yankee is where hopes and dreams and priceless artifacts go to die.

One last thing, if any of you actually think that the B-24 diorama is being done well please go to the museum and see it for yourself. What they're doing to that B-24 midsection is a travesty. Hopefully there will be a change in leadership soon and some sense will be brought back to that place.

And no I'm not some lunatic that has an axe to grind against YAM. I volunteered out there for several years and saw most of their sins against history first hand, I'm just sharing the truth.

Wow. Frustrating.

capt.grumpyly · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:50 am

kalamazookid wrote:

You know, I see where Capt. Grumply makes his points. It is kind of disappointing to see projects like the AT-11/C-45 abandoned when they could have flown. I think the area where we differ is that I think telling the story of local aviation history is every bit as important as telling the larger story. I think the Franklin glider, the B-24 project and the PB4Y are every bit as important, if not more so, than having flyable trainer/liaison aircraft. I might be in the minority with this viewpoint, but if these aircraft and exhibits lead to more visitors, I'm all for it.

I would love to see the C-45 and the AT-11 both fly someday with the Yankee Air Force. If that doesn't happen for the sake of getting the PB4Y and other aircraft indoors however, I'm all for it. Maybe by giving the A-7 and potentially other aircraft away, the museum is doing those particular airframes a service by allowing them to be potentially displayed indoors elsewhere. Although, maybe I'm just an optimist and am missing the point... I can see where it would be frustrating for a member. I was a member for the Air Zoo for a long period of time and when they became more amusement and tourist based, I withdrew my membership. I just hope Yankee doesn't go down the same path and continues to preserve aviation history in the same high quality they have done so with the B-17, B-25, and C-47. Maybe I'm missing the "point", but as long as these aircraft stay airworthy with the museum I will view them as at least a favorably successful story.

capt.grumpyly · **Posted:** Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:01 am

Chappie wrote:

lowpass wrote:

Normally I wouldn't post in thread like this but the incoherent Capt is right about Yankee. I could write you 50 pages on all of the stupid things that have occurred at Yankee over the years or that still occur at there on a day to day a basis. To keep it brief, I'll just say they've screwed up a lot of really nice artifacts and have completely destroyed quite a few as well. It really is quite sad and truly disappointing. Hangar Happenings is a joke. The people that run that place, with a few notable exceptions, are basically morons with more business selling women's shoes than running a museum. Currently they're spending about $40k a month and bringing barely a fraction of that in return. Yankee is where hopes and dreams and priceless artifacts go to die.

One last thing, if any of you actually think that the B-24 diorama is being done well please go to the museum and see it for yourself. What they're doing to that B-24 midsection is a travesty. Hopefully there will be a change in leadership soon and some sense will be brought back to that place.

And no I'm not some lunatic that has an axe to grind against YAM. I volunteered out there for several years and saw most of their sins against history first hand, I'm just sharing the truth.

Wow. Frustrating.

thank you for your comments, but the waste of money have been going on for years, paying a MUSEUM CURATOR for 6 years and no MUSEUM BUILDING, a EDUCATION CENTER payed for by a FOUNDATION , never being used, setting emtry, EDUCATION DEPARTMENT is just a JOKE,

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