TIGHAR at it again

Mudge · **Posted:** Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:31 pm

OK...OK...have at it at Mudge's expense. I still don't think I've gotten a straight answer.

Mudge the unfulfilled :cry:

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Mudge wrote:

OK...OK...have at it at Mudge's expense. I still don't think I've gotten a straight answer.

Mudge the unfulfilled :cry:

You have gotten a straight answer Mudge. What's more to understand? Did you even look at their website? They are a scam organization who claim to preserve aviation history and airplanes and also solve some of the most controversial aviation mysteries/conspiracies. TIGHAR has NEVER recovered an airplane or preserved one through all their years of history and status as a non-profit organization. Their head "mouthpiece", Richard Gillespie, is a charlatan publicity hound, who puts his own self interests above everybody and everything else.
In the aviation world, the archaeological world, and the history world, TIGHAR is a laughing stock perceived to be a bunch of amateurs who are not taken seriously.

Steve Nelson · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:24 am

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What or who is TIGHAR?

I thought it was an animal often seen hanging out with Lions and Bears.

Oh My!

SN

Iclo · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:26 am

Few months ago, I red a french book about the Amelia's life .

About the Electra's end, the author use mainly the documentation and theories from TIGHAR.
and consired them "as the more important association of aeronautical Archaeologists)

I wrote a mail to the author to explain the reputation of this group in airplane history world.

gary1954 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:09 am

Iclo wrote:

Few months ago, I red a french book about the Amelia's life .

About the Electra's end, the author use mainly the documentation and theories from TIGHAR.
and consired them "as the more important association of aeronautical Archaeologists)

I wrote a mail to the author to explain the reputation of this group in airplane history world.

boy, I bet that opened a can of granular corrosion :drinkers:

old iron · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:38 am

What is most interesting and indicative of their general procedures is that they have gone immediately to press on what "may" be a human finger bone, prior to consulting a local doctor or forensics specialist to determine if it IS a finger bone. Meanwhile, their collectio procedure has likely tainted the bone enough to render DNA study more difficult and the conclusions more controversial.

Let us see how long it takes for conclusions on this bone to be publicized. My guess is that experienced osteologists can likely tell a human from a turtle bone by the picture alone, so a first determination of the answer should already be available. TIGHAR will probably instead go through a long process of telling us how detailed their reserach was, prior to the simple act of asking a question to someone who could provide the initial simple answer - is it human?

TIGHAR has of course already jumped to the conclusion that if human it must be Earhart's.

But let us give them the opportunity to get this tested, by whatever flawed procudure that they might utilize. Then, if determined to not be human or not be Earhart's, the bone can go into the same shoe box that includes the aluminum panel presented as part of the Electra despite any good physical evidence that it came from that craft.

Mudge · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:49 am

warbird1 wrote:

Mudge wrote:

OK...OK...have at it at Mudge's expense. I still don't think I've gotten a straight answer.

Mudge the unfulfilled :cry:

You have gotten a straight answer Mudge. What's more to understand? Did you even look at their website? They are a scam organization who claim to preserve aviation history and airplanes and also solve some of the most controversial aviation mysteries/conspiracies. TIGHAR has NEVER recovered an airplane or preserved one through all their years of history and status as a non-profit organization. Their head "mouthpiece", Richard Gillespie, is a charlatan publicity hound, who puts his own self interests above everybody and everything else.
In the aviation world, the archaeological world, and the history world, TIGHAR is a laughing stock perceived to be a bunch of amateurs who are not taken seriously.

OK

Mudge the mollified

GARY HILTON · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:00 am

Tighars are supported by Lyhons, of course. And I know from personal experience that Tighar has recovered many a theory.

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:23 am

For Mudge, MOD EDIT...There is absolutely no reason for that kind of comment

Perhaps 20 years ago a group started a booth at EAA events, etc, something like The Group of Historical Aircraft Research, to locate the real historic missing aircraft. They seemed sincere, if a bit naive, and were more interested in the history rather than having a restored fighter or B-25 to fly. I had some doubts, as they knew little about warbirds, but I gave them a small donation, lot's of others did also. Richard Gillespie, who is ex army and is a pilot, is the head of it, maybe with his wife.
They made a big deal about searching for The White Bird, the plane of French aces Nungeser and Coli, (sp?) and had a lot of evidence that it might have actually crossed the Atlantic and crashed in the woods of Maine, or somewhere. Lot's of tantilizing tidbits, like a farmer that heard an engine fly over, but no plane. As the mob saying goes, They probably sleep with the fishes.

They then got on the Amelia story. When a piece of aluminum skin was found on an island they claimed the rivet holes were a perfect match to her repair, when an aluminum box was found, they claimed it was from her plane. Noted author and warbird vet Jeff Ethel pointed out to me that each PBY had a similar box and PBYs were all over those islands in the war. A womans shoe sole was found, size 9 and they claimed it was probably hers. Jeff told me that Amelia, who was a slim lady, had size 5 shoes at her museum display in Kansas. Tighar, claimed that her feet must have grown from a 5 to a 9 as she got older.

Much of their stuff sounds sort of scientific, and makes good press. But after a couple of decades they have about a much credibility as your heroes W/Cheney have on WMD, or anything else. And they have actually found nothing real. I have never seen a report of their donors or finances. They did get some vacations to the south pacific paid for by others.

ZRX61 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:16 am **Posts:** 2309

Bone is probably from a cuttlefish...

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:45 pm

After all these years on WIX, I think Mudge wins the annual pony giveaway

Speedy · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:55 pm

Steve Nelson wrote:

Quote:

What or who is TIGHAR?

I thought it was an animal often seen hanging out with Lions and Bears.

Oh My!

SN

Don't you mean LIHONS and BEAHRS?

TimAPNY · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:20 pm

They must have enough parts to bury her now, right?

Tim

Mudge · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:40 pm

Bill Greenwood wrote:

For Mudge, although I doubt he would give me the same courtesy.

Perhaps 20 years ago a group started a booth at EAA events, etc, something like The Group of Historical Aircraft Research, to locate the real historic missing aircraft. They seemed sincere, if a bit naive, and were more interested in the history rather than having a restored fighter or B-25 to fly. I had some doubts, as they knew little about warbirds, but I gave them a small donation, lot's of others did also. Richard Gillespie, who is ex army and is a pilot, is the head of it, maybe with his wife.
They made a big deal about searching for The White Bird, the plane of French aces Nungeser and Coli, (sp?) and had a lot of evidence that it might have actually crossed the Atlantic and crashed in the woods of Maine, or somewhere. Lot's of tantilizing tidbits, like a farmer that heard an engine fly over, but no plane. As the mob saying goes, They probably sleep with the fishes.

They then got on the Amelia story. When a piece of aluminum skin was found on an island they claimed the rivet holes were a perfect match to her repair, when an aluminum box was found, they claimed it was from her plane. Noted author and warbird vet Jeff Ethel pointed out to me that each PBY had a similar box and PBYs were all over those islands in the war. A womans shoe sole was found, size 9 and they claimed it was probably hers. Jeff told me that Amelia, who was a slim lady, had size 5 shoes at her museum display in Kansas. Tighar, claimed that her feet must have grown from a 5 to a 9 as she got older.

Much of their stuff sounds sort of scientific, and makes good press. But after a couple of decades they have about a much credibility as your heroes W/Cheney have on WMD, or anything else. And they have actually found nothing real. I have never seen a report of their donors or finances. They did get some vacations to the south pacific paid for by others.

Mr. Greenwood,
You're right, but only because you just don't seem to be able to resist throwing in the snide political commentary.
Didn't that kind of crap get you banned once before? :lol:

Mudge

old iron · **Posted:** Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:04 pm

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Bone is probably from a cuttlefish...

Sorry, cuttlefish is not a fish (or a vertebrate for that matter). It is a relative of the squid, and as such has not bones at all. The silly things one learns in school...

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