P-38's To The Phillipines By Submarine...?

[Kyleb]

Does anyone know how to find out more about P-38's that were shipped to the Phillipines by submarine during WWII? All have now is stories that it happened, no time frame or details. Does anyone know books or sources I could use to discover more about this story? I'd like to find out when, where and what organizations they went to (US Forces...Phillipino forces?), who was involved, any details on how many aircraft and their history/ numbers.....anything at all!

Seems like a lot of work when they could have ferried them there with external tanks. Darwin to the PI is 1300 nautical or so.

[hang the expense]

Gotta ask yourself just why the hell would they bother?The bird could make it from Darwin if it had to.Going as deck cargo on a sub would just ruin the thing anyway,regardless of how it was sealed due to water pressure at even a hundred foot depth.

[Lightjug]

Japan used some setups like this for delivering supplies to cut off troops via submarine, though I don't think they ever tried transporting aircraft.

The Japanese did try... the A2 and AM series were manufactured to carry seaplanes if I recall correctly.

[Joe Scheil]

P-38's shipped in Submarines. Never happened. Never.




Never.

[RandolphB]

I just wanted to point out that in my original posting I said shipped "BY" submarine, not "IN" a submarine. I guess a lot of people don't read the details.

Though I can't figure out why an aircraft would have been sent by sea when it could have been flown in, I didn't include the detail that they were supposed to be crated and disassembled....hoping that as people thought, some clue or detail may have surfaced. I have heard reasons that may explain the shipping; and a full second half to this story not mentioned. I'll follow the leads myself instead....

[tom d. friedman]

by submarine means IN!! a submarine!! anyway..... it sounds like a big foot sighting to me!

[RandolphB]

Actually, having spent a painful amount of my life writing and editing, "by" doesn't mean "in". Pay close note to #3, where the definition as a preposition is most relevant to the usage here:

by-    /baɪ/ Show Spelled [bahy] preposition, adverb, adjective, noun, plural byes.

–preposition
1. near to or next to: a home by a lake.
2. over the surface of, through the medium of, along, or using as a route: He came by the highway. She arrived by air.
3. on, as a means of conveyance: They arrived by ship.
4. to and beyond the vicinity of; past: He went by the church.
5. within the extent or period of; during: by day; by night.
6. not later than; at or before: I usually finish work by five o'clock.
7. to the extent or amount of: The new tug is larger than the old one by a great deal. He's taller than his sister by three inches.
8. from the opinion, evidence, or authority of: By his own account he was in Chicago at the time. I know him by sight.
9. according to; in conformity with: This is a bad movie by any standards.
10. with (something) at stake; on: to swear by all that is sacred.
11. through the agency, efficacy, work, participation, or authority of: The book was published by Random House.
12. from the hand, mind, invention, or creativity of: She read a poem by Emily Dickinson. The phonograph was invented by Thomas Edison.
13. in consequence, as a result, or on the basis of: We met by chance. We won the game by forfeit.
14. accompanied with or in the atmosphere of: Lovers walk by moonlight.
15. in treatment or support of; for: He did well by his children.
16. after; next after, as of the same items in a series: piece by piece; little by little.
17. (in multiplication) taken the number of times as that specified by the second number, or multiplier: Multiply 18 by 57.
18. (in measuring shapes) having an adjoining side of, as a width relative to a length: a room 10 feet by 12 feet.
19. (in division) separated into the number of equal parts as that specified by the second number, or divisor: Divide 99 by 33.
20. in terms or amounts of; in measuring units of: Apples are sold by the bushel. I'm paid by the week.
21. begot or born of: Eve had two sons by Adam.
22. (of quadrupeds) having as a sire: Equipoise II by Equipoise.
23. Navigation . (as used in the names of the 16 smallest points on the compass) one point toward the east, west, north, or south of N, NE, E, SE, S, SW, W, or NW, respectively: He sailed NE by N from Pago Pago.
24. into, at, or to: Come by my office this afternoon.

[mike furline]

I think the real question should be if the P-38's arrived by submarine and the submarine was on the surface (so the P-38's didn't get wet), would it still be considered a submarine or just a boat without windows?

Regards,

[tom d. friedman]

english 101 class on wix now!! sign up!! i can't believe you took the time to post that, or for me, to even reply to it!!

[old iron]

As a teacher, I a really glad to see the grammar lesson here.

Now, if only more WIXers knew how to use the word "too" and the apprpriate use of there/their. I have kept quiet on this point as I don't want to be correcting people who are not paying tuition, but there are some WIXers out there who are functionally illiterate.

[aeroeng]

As a teacher, I a really glad to see the grammar lesson here.

Now, if only more WIXers knew how to use the word "too" and the apprpriate use of there/their. I have kept quiet on this point as I don't want to be correcting people who are not paying tuition, but there are some WIXers out there who are functionally illiterate.

Really not necessary on the forum. Maybe you should check your own grammar and spelling (I a really glad..., apprpriate) if it really bothers you. Or just keep being quiet. I'm just having fun with you.

aeroeng

[Mudge]

Randolph...Well done...HOWEVER...you didn't go far enough.
The most egregious errors in grammar here are the incorrect usage of some very basic words and punctuation.

The misuse of:
to, too, and two
quiet, quite, and quit
their, there, and they're
to name a few.

TO...in that direction
TOO...also or excessive
TWO...the number between one and three

QUIET...silent
QUITE...completely, actually, to a considerable extent
QUIT...cease

THEIR...belonging to them
THERE...at that place
THEY'RE...contraction of the words THEY ARE

And the there's the problem of reading posts that have no capitals at the start of a sentence. The punctuation marks that are not followed by a space or are in front of the following word instead of after the last word.

Keeps in mind, troops, that this is merely a grammar lesson, not a criticism. Only those who are perfect can criticize.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Mudge the cunning linguist

ps. A typo here and there is expected. I've even made them.

[mike furline]

Mudge the cunning linguist

I love grammar!

[Mike]

Or my favourite, and much used on this forum.....

AWSOME

[Tiger Tim]

...a full second half to this story not mentioned.

So what is that second half?

-Tim