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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:07 pm 
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Well as for "stroking ones ego", I know I wouldn't be portraying a fround crewman if I was. After being an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force for 27 years I beacme tired of seeing all these people portraying pilots and aircrews BUT no one was portraying the ground crews. And many times when asked some of these individuals where the ground crews were they blankly stared at me and asked "WHO"? After learning the trade and being taught by many fine mechanics I couldn't let this go with out doing something about it. That's the reason I do this and formed our unit as the fellows who came before ME need the recognition and thanks they deserve for all the long tough hours they spent fixing airplanes for their pilots.

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And like the old saying goes: "Aircrew without crew chiefs are nothing but pedestrians with sunglasses and a cool leather jacket" 8)

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The CAF Wildcat is not the least bit embarrassed. It knows its history. For those of you who can't get over this after this many years - form an LLC - collect donations and when you have enough money for a new paint job (that you all can agree on) you can have it repainted.


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I know us being "instructors" for the "bomber camp" is a plus to the students. They ALL enjoy having us in period uniforms running the ground opperations and loading.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:42 am 
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Yeah, I feel its long overdue for a thread of its own. Hopefully the horror stories thread will get back on topic. (no thanks to me) :oops: But it seems at least that both of you guys (Ryan & Scott) see the purpose of reenacting. I mean, I dont see i as a childish foolish idea. It only enhaces the public's interpertation of the time period were trying to convey. But to each his own.


i'm sorry this took so long for me to catch onto this thread but i had to say a little about this. I simply love the corsair to death and if i won the lottery, you bet i'd get one, two or three! The only way i can be around them is to re-enact. I've never gotten paid and i don't want to for being next to the plane i love. You get to talk to the public and help them understand the correct role the plane or planes had and did for the correct time period. Many times somebody will come up and say something incorrectly about the corsair and i'll tell them the true information. I usually get the," OH, i didn't know that!" It just makes me feel so good to help out and honor a corsair pilot or ground crew member. It's very simple here. Our veterans are almost gone and there's nobody left to tell their story and the history of the aircraft.

I simply can't afford to be a pilot and i certainly can't afford a corsair. Please don't judge people who have a passion for ww2 planes and their history. :D

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AMEN Frank!! That is the one reason many of us who do ground crew reenacting do it also. I've worked airplanes for over 17 years and LOVE round motors compaired to the majority of the jets I have worked. Thanks again Frank for your comment.

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no prob. Keep em flying!

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After reading these points of view ,I have come to realize that when I was a little kid ,I wasn't just playing"army" I was re-enacting.While my uniform wasn't Mil-spec and my weapon was a rubber band gun.other than the cost of my clothing and weapon ,What I was doing was no different than"Re-enacting" and here we thought that all we were doing was playing army.I was usually John Wayne"Lock and Load!" next door was Dean Martin, and down the street was Audie Murphy. My next door neighbor did however own a genuine Norden bombsite(mid-1960's) so maybe some of our Re-enacted bombruns were more realistic than the kids on the next block,but like them,we always kicked the Japanese and Jerrys butts.

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Ok...Mrs. Mudge and I both do reenacting. Ask, and we can give you chapter and verse about the character we're portraying. From birth to "present day". No BS, just facts about what our characters could have accomplished, had they been real. Like in almost any WWII movie you'll see, our characters are a composite of many people and actions. Historically accurate but fictitious.

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I think reenacting adds a lot to a show such as Legends in the UK.  Well done when I was there. 

I am amused by the cynical comments expressed by some. Is airshow reenacting any different than John Wayne dressing up as a Hellcat pilot or Tom Hanks dressing up as an officer and pretending to lead men to "Save Private Ryan" when both men have never done anything even remotely similar in real life?  I mean, besides airshow reenactors (well, the great majority of them) doing it because they love it, and elitist pampered actors doing it for obscenely large piles of money - and you want to talk about immature ego trips?! :D

Are they not both pretending to be something they are not in order to better help us relive/visualize past times?

If you 'diss' reenacting in general, then you are a hypocrite if you pay money to see 'reenacting' on the big screen. That being said - whether on film or on the grass over there next to a P-51 or Spit - same rules apply:  you mess up my historical visual impression by getting something dreadfully wrong or look silly performing your act, I will make fun of you ... with malice!  :^)

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....one night after the show we went to a hanger party/dance/dinner. All was well until a group of guys came in dressed in Nazi SS uniforms (there were other folks dressed in both US and german uniforms) When Lefty saw them he said "whats wrong with those guys, the ss were just a bunch of murdering b@st@rds" (I remember it to this day) We got up and left....the end.


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I was waiting a while to give my response to this thread.
I first soloed in 1978, so I've been around aircraft for a bit. I could never afford my own warbird, (or any plane for that matter) so I'm still a renter. I started to collect a helmet and a goggle or two when I was in college from Jon Aldrich out in California. Wasn't planning to re-enact, but just wanted a set or two. That's when the original AN-6530's were $32.50 and an Extra Large A-11 helmet was $20.00!

Once I got out of school, I started to go to the TICO Show every March. I became a member and by the Mid-80's It was an entire group of us who went down to the show from Connecticut. As a member of the VAC, I felt I had nothing to offer. My buddy and I decided to bring our helmets and Mae West's down and just see if it was something we could do. It was a huge hit with the public and we got great remarks from the VAC members. We even made the Osprey book about the Valiant Air Command's show.

During this time I was also appointed an Associate Curator for Costumes at the New England Air Museum. Dealing with all the personal equipment at the museum allowed me to broaden my knowledge base on the history of flying gear. On Open Cockpit Days, I would come out to the Thunderbolt and give a talk about the equipment and the aircraft. Wearing basic Tans, I would slowly dress in the flying gear and talk to the crowd about what each piece I was putting on was and why it was needed. By the end I was fully dressed complete with a parachute. The public now had a good idea on what pilots wore and why they wore what they wore. I didn't do it for the glory or ego, it was for education and I actually had a reason to use some of that equipment I had been collecting for so long.

In 1989, about 8 of us formed the 918th Aviation Re-enactment Group and our first show was Geneseo. We were invited and did the first Reading WWII Weekend and our membership started to grow. It was very welcome at the shows and the public really enjoyed the "personal touch" we presented. It worked well because we could now help the organization that we were a part of even though we didn't live nearby or have a warbird that we could bring to the shows.

I've been a member of the Airmen's Preservation Society since about 1990 and have done countless airshows and events. They were also the only Re-enactment group invited ti the Andrews AFB show in 1995 to celebrate the end of WWII.

I say all this to give you some background on where I'm coming from.
The question of earning rank, awards and the right to wear the uniform are all valid points. I never served in the military, though I did try to get in both the Navy and the Air Force Flight Programs.
My Uncle was a LT. flying P-51's in the 325th Fighter Group during WWII and was KIA on Sept. 15, 1944. My father was a Flight Surgeon during the Korean War and left as a Captain.
When I wear a my Class A pinks and greens WWII Uniform I only wear my Uncle's wings and my Father's Rank. That's it. It's an honor to them and and honor for me to wear them. In our re-enactment group you could only wear an award or citation if you had been in the military and actually been awarded it.

As I got older, I shifted my "re-enactment job" from aircrew to ground crew. I was getting to old to portray a young pilot. It's funny, but when I look back on our later years, the only two lic. pilots in the group were playing mechanics! We were the only ones that could demonstrate to the public how an E-6B Computer works!

My wife and I actually branched out a bit about 12 years ago and also started working with American Military Medical Impressions doing a complete WWII field Hospital. In this case, we actually perform in the first person and play roles during the scheduled scenarios. my wife is an OR Nurse in real life so it was a natural step for us. We have had nothing but wonderful comments from the public and veterans, the latter usually can't believe it all looks, sound and smells so real.

I'd have to say the only "glory" we get out of it is that the public walks away from these events with more knowledge that when they first arrived. It makes us feel great when a veteran US Army Nurse walks in and just stares and with tears in her eyes says "You got it right." That's about it for my ego trip when I re-enact.

I have had very few problems with anybody in regards to wearing the uniform. Though the WWII uniform requirements and equipment are obsolete, we still require everyone to wear them properly.

I've seen re-enactors with their blouse unbuttoned because it doesn't fit them properly. Long hair and a Crusher hat, covers not being removed indoors, over wieght, beards with the uniform, though in some combat area's that was allowable, but not in class "A" uniform. If you are going to re-enact, do it right and honor the uniform. if it doesn't fit, don't wear it. Wear it properly and according to regulations. Those are the area's that I have a problem with when I see some re-enactors.

I also believe that re-enactors should play a larger role in some of the warbird shows. Today's modern fast paced world has changed the way the public sees things. I think we need to give the public more bang for their buck and really give them a show.
If more shows had a theme and story line with both air and ground echelons performing, it would look like a Hollywood movie. We need to give the public more "show".

To sum up this rather lengthy response, I understand how re-enacting could rub veterans and current military the wrong way, but after having been doing this for 25 years or more, and having been invited to re-eneact at many active military installations for shows, my experiences, doing it the way we do, has been 99% positive.
My 2 Cents on an interesting subject.
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I have seen Mudge in his uniform and he is historically correct.

Anything that promotes further education or curiosity is fine with me.


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....one night after the show we went to a hanger party/dance/dinner. All was well until a group of guys came in dressed in Nazi SS uniforms (there were other folks dressed in both US and german uniforms) When Lefty saw them he said "whats wrong with those guys, the ss were just a bunch of murdering b@st@rds" (I remember it to this day) We got up and left....the end.


We see them (SS) at the MAAM WWII weekend every year. OK...so they have sharp uniforms. That fact, however, is overshadowed by the despicable reputation of the SS. Why anyone would want to portray a murderer is beyond me.

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jet1 wrote:
....one night after the show we went to a hanger party/dance/dinner. All was well until a group of guys came in dressed in Nazi SS uniforms (there were other folks dressed in both US and german uniforms) When Lefty saw them he said "whats wrong with those guys, the ss were just a bunch of murdering b@st@rds" (I remember it to this day) We got up and left....the end.


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I concur with the above comments in regards to the SS genre of "reenactor".

As most here know, the SS was not subject to the Wehrmacht chain of command. They were a completely separate heavily armed and well trained force reporting directly to Hitler's Nazi Party. As such, they (as demonstrated by their actions) generally considered themselves outside the 'rules of war'. The Tulle hangings and Oradour-sur-Glane massacres of mostly women and children by 2nd SS Panzer are but two examples of this sadistic, brutal force of thugs - not soldiers. And don't forget the Allied prisoners executed by the SS. Yes, by definition atrocities were committed by all sides - but the SS embraced pillage and cold-blooded murder as open SOP! They are worthy of nothing but derision and contempt, not "reenacting". There -are- contextual reasons for a film actor to dress up and "play SS", but in my opinion you simply can't justify walking around and wearing that crap - and what it represents - as part of any volunteer personal-collection airshow reenacting to "honor history".

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