Too few PBY's around to be doing this

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:34 pm

Nathan wrote:

And I am being criticized because...???

Not like the video really bothered me. I just thought you guys disliked this kind of stuff. So figured I'd post the link. So how come some b!tched about the guy doing low passes in a L-29 again? :roll:

Sorry to sound off but yeah kind of frustrated here. Didn't expect the reaction, sorry!

Nathan,

You still trying to do any flight training? If so, the answers are in the regs and common sense, as well as a little understanding of how airports work.
I can get cleared by the tower for a low approach almost any day of the week, and have done so on occasion. Now the photographer might be an issue to the FAA (reg about operating 500' from any person, vessel, or structure in a non-populated area, not on landing), depending on the circumstance, but other than that, it's probably not an issue. The guys in the L-29s were too close (breaking regs), in the wrong place to do that sort of thing, and using VERY poor judgment to think that their actions might not scare the general public. Most of the general public however, would not be scared to see a plane getting close to the runway - that's where they're supposed to be.

Ryan

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:03 pm

i thought it was excellent!! for the next pass the spectators should put apples on their heads!! :rolleyes:

hang the expense · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:53 am

tom d. friedman wrote:

i thought it was excellent!! for the next pass the spectators should put apples on their heads!! :rolleyes:

Jonathan or washington?

David Legg · **Joined:** Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:07 pm **Posts:** 338

No wish to comment on the flying but the aircraft itself (N287), although rumoured to be going to South America at some point (as mentioned in one of the preceding posts), is I believe now supposed to be going to the Far East (Borneo has been mentioned). To the best of my knowledge, it is still in Florida however.

N3Njeff · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:15 am

David Legg wrote:

No wish to comment on the flying but the aircraft itself (N287), although rumoured to be going to South America at some point (as mentioned in one of the preceding posts), is I believe now supposed to be going to the Far East (Borneo has been mentioned). To the best of my knowledge, it is still in Florida however.

Thanks for the update.

b17engineer · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:33 am

Back in the 80's, I had the opportunity to talk with Rob Satterfield about flying in England. He had just come back from a trip that started, I believe, at Duxford and ended up in Holland for a show. On the way there, they had made a low pass, in trail, inverted at Orly Airport in France. He said the biggest difference between flying warbirds here and there was that in the U.S. people will call the FAA to complain about low flying and in England they will call to find out when the planes will be back to do it again. Maybe it's something to do with the planes that saved their bacon. People in the U.S. don't know that feeling.

RICK

gary1954 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:04 pm

b17engineer wrote:

Back in the 80's, I had the opportunity to talk with Rob Satterfield about flying in England. He had just come back from a trip that started, I believe, at Duxford and ended up in Holland for a show. On the way there, they had made a low pass, in trail, inverted at Orly Airport in France. He said the biggest difference between flying warbirds here and there was that in the U.S. people will call the FAA to complain about low flying and in England they will call to find out when the planes will be back to do it again. Maybe it's something to do with the planes that saved their bacon. People in the U.S. don't know that feeling.

RICK

You Got That Right Rick!!! :drinkers:

the330thbg · **Joined:** Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:06 pm **Posts:** 2713

Nathan wrote:

And I am being criticized because...???

Not like the video really bothered me. I just thought you guys disliked this kind of stuff. So figured I'd post the link. So how come some b!tched about the guy doing low passes in a L-29 again? :roll:

Sorry to sound off but yeah kind of frustrated here. Didn't expect the reaction, sorry!

Mate, you stated your opinion on the PBY's and how there were too few around to be flying them like the video.., we disagreed with you and said, 'Bully'.., now you are upset?

A little thin skinned, huh?

ChrisDNT · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:22 pm

Low with enough speed, not doing "funky" flying, is not so dangerous.

But what I hate to see is WWII combat aircraft flying low and manoeuvering slow, when they were not designed to do that.

David Legg · **Joined:** Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:07 pm **Posts:** 338

I was curious about the suggestion implied in the heading that a pilot might fly a commonplace aircraft differently to a rare one. It seems an odd sort of judgement call. A dangerous manouevre is dangerous regardless of the aircraft involved surely? (I'm not suggesting the flying in the video is dangerous by the way - I am not qualified to have a view on that). Doubtless Nathan didn't really mean it literally!

As an aside, I used to fly regularly (as a non-pilot) with a very experienced and well-known test/display pilot who probably qualified for the 'old, bold pilot' title and he would have agreed with the comment by ChrisDNT about not displaying aircraft in ways for which they were not originally intended as he saw little point or relevance in doing so. Coincidentally, he flew Catalinas from time to time but his comments were made in a wider context. Sadly he is no longer with us but his demise was not aviation-related.

Nathan · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:37 pm

the330thbg wrote:

Nathan wrote:

And I am being criticized because...???

Not like the video really bothered me. I just thought you guys disliked this kind of stuff. So figured I'd post the link. So how come some b!tched about the guy doing low passes in a L-29 again? :roll:

Sorry to sound off but yeah kind of frustrated here. Didn't expect the reaction, sorry!

Mate, you stated your opinion on the PBY's and how there were too few around to be flying them like the video.., we disagreed with you and said, 'Bully'.., now you are upset?

A little thin skinned, huh?

Not thinned skin chief. :?:

Just a little puzzled what some consider what I thought was the same type of behavior that some people here disliked. I dont mind flying low its cool as long as safety is being given.

Quote:

Doubtless Nathan didn't really mean it literally!

Thank you.

airnutz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:52 pm

N3Njeff wrote:

airnutz wrote:

Are you referring to Billabong sportswear, or someone else? Billabong made a big splash a few
years back about having a Cat to take their surfers and such on trips etc., but nothing
seems to have come of it or I missed something.

Right, believe that was a HU-16.

Yep, their first one was an HU-16B, but they upgraded to a G-111 explained in the following article.
The Billabong Clipper .com address wouldn't work for me...
http://www.airportjournals.com/Display. ... ID=0603013

gary1954 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:09 pm

There is a Significant difference in buzzing, making high speed passed over people standing on a pier where a jet may injest but fail to digest one or more birds resulting in indigestion, and blow-out, than a slow moving Cat making its version of a high-speed low approch over the "Landing" area. Maybe it was an Initial Approach and instead of breaking over the numbers or mid-field, he broke at the departure end of the "runway".....yea...thats it, thats the line.....thats the ticket :axe:

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