L-39 buzzing Santa Monica Pier....

ZRX61 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:16 am **Posts:** 2308

A2C wrote:

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A2C wrote:
You can be low over the water if you aren't flying over a structure or person. How do you know it wasn't off the pier over the water?

Maybe because I watched the video...?

In the year 2010? :lol:

Maybe come back & edit your posts after you sober up...?

A2C · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:56 am

ZRX61 Wrote:

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It happened a year ago...

No, you said this happened last year. If it happened on Nov. 6 2009, and you said last year, that can only mean it's now 2010, or that you've made a mistake.

flyboyj · **Joined:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:01 pm **Posts:** 157

A2C wrote:

Actually he was at the Santa Monica pier, and that means he could have been buzzing the ocean-this is not a violation of the FAR's. However, the catch here is that the aircraft is "Experimental Exhibition". The FAA can target this category simply by claiming that the aircraft was outside it's operating area.

If the plane indeed was traveling at 350 mph, I think they could've got the pilot on that, but how can they prove that he was flying at that speed if he was "on the deck" below radar?

The speed at which the FAA tries to criminalize pilots is interesting. (I've tried to bring this up before). Yesterday in nov. 6th !!! That means they pulled this guys license hours ago. This is actually illegal, because the FAA is supposed to do an investigation. How can they do an accurate "investigation" in one day?

I agree with Brandon's labeling the LA times as LA Pravda, and I am somewhat surprised that other Wixers are quick to take a stand against the L-39 pilot, and so quick to pander to possible gov abuse. I would be more suspisious of the FAA, and their ability to pull somebody's license in one day with a possibly incomplete investigation. Let's remember it's "We the People" who created the FAA, and we do have the power to put pressure on them to tone down the heavy handed crack downs.

This happened last year and there was a lengthy investigation. For some reason it didn't hit the press until now.

This event was witnessed by dozens if not hundreds of people and I'm amazed that its taken this long to hit the press. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. These guys have a long history of pushing the limit and getting their tickets pulled and its because of this stunt that the Feds made such a stink over the Tehachapi L-29 crash that was determined by the way to be legal Part 91 flight.

While we could always point fingers at the evil FAA, these guys flat out give all aspects of the warbird community a bad name.

FAR 91.119 - please read it and watch the film

A2C · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:17 am

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A2C wrote:
You can be low over the water if you aren't flying over a structure or person. How do you know it wasn't off the pier over the water?

Maybe because I watched the video...?

In the year 2010?

Maybe come back & edit your posts after you sober up...?

Oops there were conflicting dates, one said Nov. 2009, and another said last Nov. my mistake.

JDK · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:24 am

bdk wrote:

A brilliant piece of reporting as you would expect from the LA Pravda.

I would be very interested in any revisions to the stated facts in the article, or other insights - it's not an opinion piece, it seems to me to be pretty fully grounded on publicly available information including criminal records.

Other factual reporting welcome...

Oscar Duck · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:28 am

acts of stupidity like this draw the attention of the regulators/city fathers etc etc. Remember they usually don't care about 'old' airplanes. We all pay the price. The guy flying is a f/wit...

Fouga23 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:58 am

WOW

That dude is SERIOUSLY crazy

Ryan Keough · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:40 am

You know... I especially like the maneuvers with the energy directed toward the crowd... like the head-on pull-up right before he reaches the ferris wheel. (sarcasm) - it's morons like this guy who make every single other operator/owners life a heck of a lot more difficult... we all can fly safer than anything else, but guys like this "make waves" and then the FAA and every other bureau crashes down and starts putting limitations on things...

Rules are there for a reason dip-wad!

By the way, as I was looking at this story online... it seems that this pilot has been involved in another highly questionable act of flying, at least in an indirect way, that has spread like wildfire in the past month over the net... the video of the Bonanza pilot trying to "cheat" IMC, clipping the side of a mountain right after doing a "photo flight" with this dude. See the video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

I hope they have memberships to the local golf club... they'll be spending a lot more time on the ground now.

skymstr02 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:51 am

A2C wrote:

This is actually illegal, because the FAA is supposed to do an investigation. How can they do an accurate "investigation" in one day?

a2c, your lack of knowlege is showing again.

The FAA can invoke an "emergency revocation", like they did with the NWA flight crew that overflew their destination. They can hand deliver the letter, and it is effective immediately.

In the case of the NWA crew, the letter stated that there would be a $1,000 per day fine if they did not surrender their certificates to a representative of the Administrator.

jet1 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:17 am

but...

" I am somewhat surprised that other Wixers are quick to take a stand against the L-39 pilot, "

you don't screw around in jets at all...the margins for error and catastrophic failure are WAy TO CLOSE to take any un-necessary chances...especially to promote a movie.

gary1954 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:51 am

Prefilght by the book, fly by the Book, Post flight by the Book, and it'll keep ya outta trouble.
I realize that ya gotta let yer hair down once in a while, thats why God made the Desert.
The Federalist Aviation Annoyance.....Well I can't seem to collect the words to for a sentence about how I feel about them.
They do a lot of Good, and a lot of WTF.

A2C · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:52 pm

My mistake. The pilot was clearly flying recklessly towards the pier too close to people, and frightening them. No doubt unethical, and illegal.

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

A2C wrote:

My mistake. The pilot was clearly flying recklessly towards the pier too close to people, and frightening them. No doubt unethical, and illegal.

That was a quick change of your mind. Why the sudden change of heart?

A2C · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:36 pm

The media too often is biased and inaccurate, and after reading the article I concluded that the plane probably was over the water. After seeing the video, clearly the pilot was reckless. Again my apologies!

JohnH · **Posted:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:09 pm

I just woke up and saw the headline in the back of the article. I've already had my good laugh for the day. "This was a very serious and dangerous act" said Santa Monica Attorney...

I haven't read anything else or seen the video- but knowing that city's reputation...

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