HistoricP-51 Double Trouble Two

gunnyperdue · **Posted:** Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:50 pm

Holedigger wrote:

Gunny's not gonna like it!! :shock:

Great stuff... thanks!!! I like it. Can you email me a finer resolution file? You are fast!

gunny

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

A suggestion but first a compliment - very nice work!

The suggestion - the profile has too much and too radical top line from windscreen to spinner. The top line of the cowl did not have that much 'curve'

The 51 had that very big and long merlin under the cowl and the loft line design was a second order curve but not so pronounced as to really dive as much as you have shown the top line. It had to stay above the engine past the exhaust stacks.

The best way to describe it would be to move the thrust line of the spinner upwards to reduce the curvature from say midpoint between the stacks to the spinner/cowl line?

Only by looking at some perfect side elevation pics with top line at eye level can you really see what I am talking about.

Having said this, there are only a handful of aviation artists that have had this in hand for a long time - Ferris, Phillips and Copic come to mind but I am sure there are others.

Regards and admiration.

Holedigger · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:37 am

Hmmm, I see what you mean, this should look closer. She did have a hair too much "Humpback" in her and the jpg'ing of the curve pushed it a bit more! jpgs and curves sometimes do nasty things. Too much late night working doesn't help either!

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

Th looks great. If you will PM me your email address I have a 51 shot taken about cockpit level that I can send you.

The other issue with too many illustrations is that the artist has a photo taken at wing root level or below and when they see the transition from the cowl cross section just forward of the stacks moving to spinner ring they see the little 'bump' which represents going from the wide engine cross section (kinda like a flattened ellipse above the engine) just in front of the exhaust stacks to transition to a circular cross section at the spinner - and it makes the nose line look like it really curves at that point

Holedigger · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:20 pm

Thanks, will do that. Getting "accurate" line drawings to work from is ALWAYS a tough thing. I usually get three or four and sandwich them together in layers, then studying pictures, decide my line by which looks most accurate. They can vary by several inches and have some absolutely crazy wrong curves here and there!

Chris
aka "Holedigger"

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:32 pm

Interesting- I have on my work bench scale model of Mustang which will be finished as Blondie. As well I lost instruction sheet, could you provide more info important for the decal application

Overall good work on profiles. Hope that in some close future I will show up my works as well contract for the book about Mustang still wait for me

Cheers

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

Holedigger wrote:

Thanks, will do that. Getting "accurate" line drawings to work from is ALWAYS a tough thing. I usually get three or four and sandwich them together in layers, then studying pictures, decide my line by which looks most accurate. They can vary by several inches and have some absolutely crazy wrong curves here and there!

Chris
aka "Holedigger"

I'm havina senior CRS moment but there is a Brit who has lofted many aircraft - I'll try to dig into my stack for his name. I have his P-51B and D

Additionally the RC maestro Dave Platt has the most accurate drawings (IMHO) in the model community.

richkolasa · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:43 am

Just a little aside regarding Jerry Yagen's "Double Trouble II". On the way to the CAF Midland show, my friend and I met a German gent in the food court at Houston Int. He had an "Airsho" hat, so we chatted him up as the Brits say.

He was born in Frankfurt (so he's a Frankfurter) in the '30s and said that he remembered the sound of hundreds of B-17s overhead. He moved to Switzerland in the '60s, and said has a number of flights in the back seat of "Double Trouble II", including circling the Matterhorn. This is the former Ray Stutsman and Don Davidson aircraft that Jerry Yagen brougth back from Switzerland.

I would think that's really stepping up a "mundane" P-51D ride, huh?!!!

Rich

Django · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:16 pm

As a fellow Photoshop/Ilustrator jockey, that's pretty bitchin work Holedigger.

Holedigger · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:09 pm

Thanks! Working on slowly, ever so slowly building up the warbird/historical illustration cliental, since architecture, though not quite dead, is still on the ventilator! Trying to pull accurate colors and markings from old, blurry B&Ws is still ALWAYS the tricky bit! Then to make it look good in color.

Mark V · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:16 pm

richkolasa wrote:

This is the former Ray Stutsman and Don Davidson aircraft that Jerry Yagen brougth back from Switzerland.

I would think that's really stepping up a "mundane" P-51D ride, huh?!!!

Rich

Yes Rich, and latterly Max Vogelsang (from whom Jerry purchased the aircraft).

Holedigger wrote:

Thanks! Working on slowly, ever so slowly building up the warbird/historical illustration cliental, since architecture, though not quite dead, is still on the ventilator!

I know the feeling!

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