Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:58 pm
Id prefer Nathan stay away keep him computer turned OFF.
Only person he is baiting is everyone else.
Maybe he has no frigging idea where he is from.... but i as stated hardly see ANY active involvement by women in warbirds and as i stated from my views ......it is mainly a male arena.
It would be nice to see more women get a interest into planes.
I dont see for one minute Nathan HOW raising that point is even remotely sexist - can you explain when you bother to TURN ON your computer again?
It like asking why are there no volunteers to run museums.. guess nathan would claim that is _____ something to?
If Nathan thinks trying to encourages ways to get more women to like warbirds is "sexist" well i dont think he understand ANYTHING ...
Some museums are declining, 2 museums i have involvement with closed for good because volunteers just dropped off - no acitivities...
I work at various museums and in them i see hardly women at all getting hard and dirty - in 2 museums i see only 2 women getting really into the dirt and hard work and they enjoy it immensly.
Good to see but still shame more cant get involved.
Unlike Nathan, other people have expressed least MORE positive views. It all US related - not a single other country has been represented i note... what about Europe, South America? etc are women into warbirds over there?
Maybe museums need to seriously think in order to surivive what are best ways to attract more female volunteers in long term. .
Only person he is baiting is everyone else.
Maybe he has no frigging idea where he is from.... but i as stated hardly see ANY active involvement by women in warbirds and as i stated from my views ......it is mainly a male arena.
It would be nice to see more women get a interest into planes.
I dont see for one minute Nathan HOW raising that point is even remotely sexist - can you explain when you bother to TURN ON your computer again?
It like asking why are there no volunteers to run museums.. guess nathan would claim that is _____ something to?
If Nathan thinks trying to encourages ways to get more women to like warbirds is "sexist" well i dont think he understand ANYTHING ...
Some museums are declining, 2 museums i have involvement with closed for good because volunteers just dropped off - no acitivities...
I work at various museums and in them i see hardly women at all getting hard and dirty - in 2 museums i see only 2 women getting really into the dirt and hard work and they enjoy it immensly.
Good to see but still shame more cant get involved.
Unlike Nathan, other people have expressed least MORE positive views. It all US related - not a single other country has been represented i note... what about Europe, South America? etc are women into warbirds over there?
Maybe museums need to seriously think in order to surivive what are best ways to attract more female volunteers in long term. .
Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:02 pm
Nathan and flyingheritage, I would suggest that you both not take this so seriously. Hey if I have a sports illustrated calendar, so that make sme a sexist pervert, right?
???
Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:15 pm
Id prefer Nathan stay away keep him computer turned OFF.
If we're voting I'd prefer you stay away
Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:06 pm
Guess I missed what was so controversial about the topic..seems like a legit discussion to me. Anyway, in the five years we were together about the only thing my first wife ever learned about airplanes is "The P-40 is the pink one, right?" (I'm just up the road from Kalamazoo.) I remember I got a stiffy the first time I saw the Collings B-24, which showed up unexpectedly for a local airshow. She just rolled her eyes and grumbled "Oh...another airplane." She ran off with some married co-worker a year after our wedding.
I met the woman I'm married to now on a model building forum a few years back. She's actively interested in aviation and dabbles in model building (although she's nowhere near the geek I am.) In fact, the NMUSAF is one of her (and my) favorite places (she considers the museum's B-24 her namesake.) She was actually going to A&P school when we met, but decided to stick with nursing.
I think there's definately a gender factor involved. Most guys like mechanical stuff, and things that make noise and go fast..so most have at least a casual interest or appreciation of warbirds, even if it's not their primary interest. For women, most couldn't care less and tend to be interested in more traditionally "female" pursuits. The small percentage of women who are into aviation/warbirds tend to be fairly passionate about it, I think because it takes that level of interest to go against the traditional gender roles/stereotypes.
Just some random thoughts...
SN
I met the woman I'm married to now on a model building forum a few years back. She's actively interested in aviation and dabbles in model building (although she's nowhere near the geek I am.) In fact, the NMUSAF is one of her (and my) favorite places (she considers the museum's B-24 her namesake.) She was actually going to A&P school when we met, but decided to stick with nursing.
I think there's definately a gender factor involved. Most guys like mechanical stuff, and things that make noise and go fast..so most have at least a casual interest or appreciation of warbirds, even if it's not their primary interest. For women, most couldn't care less and tend to be interested in more traditionally "female" pursuits. The small percentage of women who are into aviation/warbirds tend to be fairly passionate about it, I think because it takes that level of interest to go against the traditional gender roles/stereotypes.
Just some random thoughts...
SN
Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:44 pm
Steve:
But you forgot to show us a bikini clad image with a beer.
But you forgot to show us a bikini clad image with a beer.
Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:51 pm
I'm going to step out on a limb here and offer a different perspective. This one I'm tiptoeing on because of certain forum rules, but I think it's within the subject matter, so here goes:
1. God created men and women with different roles and responsibilities.
2. As a result, men and women have inherent, God-given natural bents - Men towards work, provision, leadership, and defense. Women to nurturing, being help-meets, and caring for others, etc... Things that are what MOST women traditionally have done.
3. As sinners, men also tend toward different sins, such as lust, laziness, etc... Women also have their particular sins that go in different directions.
4. Of course there are always the exceptions to the rules, which is "normal" in this world because everything has been messed up since Gen. 3. I know of several girls heavily involved in aviation as mechanics and I can't for the life of me figure out why!
5. While in a family business setting, or for personal enjoyment I do NOT think that there's anything wrong with women enjoying planes, I do think that a "normal" gal isn't nearly as likely to be predisposed to like airplanes as a "normal" guy.
I TRY to keep my warbirds involvement in a positive direction that does not (well, maybe this forum does) cause me to be lazy, unproductive, or a bad steward of my time. For me, it is an area where I can study and teach history in a meaningful way, and correlate it to my work - which is great.
BTW. If and when I get married, I sure hope she at least tolerates the airplanes. I'd really like her to at least work with me to get a private license so we can enjoy some nice trips, etc...
Ryan (who's ducking for his flame suit, but not apologizing for having an opinion!)
P.S. This is NOT intended to be offensive to any of my friends on this forum of the opposite gender.
1. God created men and women with different roles and responsibilities.
2. As a result, men and women have inherent, God-given natural bents - Men towards work, provision, leadership, and defense. Women to nurturing, being help-meets, and caring for others, etc... Things that are what MOST women traditionally have done.
3. As sinners, men also tend toward different sins, such as lust, laziness, etc... Women also have their particular sins that go in different directions.
4. Of course there are always the exceptions to the rules, which is "normal" in this world because everything has been messed up since Gen. 3. I know of several girls heavily involved in aviation as mechanics and I can't for the life of me figure out why!
5. While in a family business setting, or for personal enjoyment I do NOT think that there's anything wrong with women enjoying planes, I do think that a "normal" gal isn't nearly as likely to be predisposed to like airplanes as a "normal" guy.
I TRY to keep my warbirds involvement in a positive direction that does not (well, maybe this forum does) cause me to be lazy, unproductive, or a bad steward of my time. For me, it is an area where I can study and teach history in a meaningful way, and correlate it to my work - which is great.
BTW. If and when I get married, I sure hope she at least tolerates the airplanes. I'd really like her to at least work with me to get a private license so we can enjoy some nice trips, etc...
Ryan (who's ducking for his flame suit, but not apologizing for having an opinion!)
P.S. This is NOT intended to be offensive to any of my friends on this forum of the opposite gender.
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Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:54 pm
I'm lucky my wife can name most any warbird, anything thats Japanese she can name easily. We meet in flight school, her dad wanted her to fly. He flew F-86D'S then F-104J's.
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:06 pm
Somebody has to carry the cooler?? 
seriously, my mum dropped me off at Chino and Flabob regularly during the summer months of the 80's. She also spent countless hours "hanging out" at the Air Force Museum during the 70's while I obsessed over the WWII gallery.
jim
seriously, my mum dropped me off at Chino and Flabob regularly during the summer months of the 80's. She also spent countless hours "hanging out" at the Air Force Museum during the 70's while I obsessed over the WWII gallery.
jim
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:18 pm
We need the support of "she who must be obeyed"... 
Mark P is right on the money. Where did you get that picture of my wife??
reminds me of the old joke:
Hey Jake, do you have any pictures of your wife n@ked? If you don't, I have some!
[i]When I named my TBM "Georgia Peach" [wife from Atlanta] it bought me five minutes of peace [after spending the new washing machine money on it] ...happy days indeed.
PS: Nathan get a life!
[/i]
Mark P is right on the money. Where did you get that picture of my wife??
reminds me of the old joke:
Hey Jake, do you have any pictures of your wife n@ked? If you don't, I have some!
[i]When I named my TBM "Georgia Peach" [wife from Atlanta] it bought me five minutes of peace [after spending the new washing machine money on it] ...happy days indeed.
PS: Nathan get a life!
[/i]
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:36 pm
RyanShort1 wrote:I'm going to step out on a limb here and offer a different perspective. This one I'm tiptoeing on because of certain forum rules, but I think it's within the subject matter, so here goes:
1. God created men and women with different roles and responsibilities.
2. As a result, men and women have inherent, God-given natural bents - Men towards work, provision, leadership, and defense. Women to nurturing, being help-meets, and caring for others, etc... Things that are what MOST women traditionally have done.
3. As sinners, men also tend toward different sins, such as lust, laziness, etc... Women also have their particular sins that go in different directions.
4. Of course there are always the exceptions to the rules, which is "normal" in this world because everything has been messed up since Gen. 3. I know of several girls heavily involved in aviation as mechanics and I can't for the life of me figure out why!
5. While in a family business setting, or for personal enjoyment I do NOT think that there's anything wrong with women enjoying planes, I do think that a "normal" gal isn't nearly as likely to be predisposed to like airplanes as a "normal" guy.
BS like this is why I'll never go to church again unless six of my buddies are carrying me in feet first.
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:39 pm
Interesting HOW no one or maybe some i dont know after so much commentatry -- have not bother to comment or reply on points i raised..
HOW to get more women into joining up as volunteers for aviation museums in the long term.
SO why do women avoid wanting to volunteer at museums?
By the way forget to mention before.....
The 2 women i know dont work in aviation museums .. but other types of museums doing hard yakka.
Which shows to my knowledge at moment --- basically less than a handful i would say of women that i know that get dirty with aircraft along side males as volunteers.
Anyone see US museum with women getting into action?
Australian museums?
Let see what you people can bring up?
HOW to get more women into joining up as volunteers for aviation museums in the long term.
SO why do women avoid wanting to volunteer at museums?
By the way forget to mention before.....
The 2 women i know dont work in aviation museums .. but other types of museums doing hard yakka.
Which shows to my knowledge at moment --- basically less than a handful i would say of women that i know that get dirty with aircraft along side males as volunteers.
Anyone see US museum with women getting into action?
Australian museums?
Let see what you people can bring up?
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:43 pm
michaelharadon,
If you're not going to church now, having 6 guys carry you in feet first is going to be a useless gesture, and a waste of time. They will need to carry you straight to the marble orchard.
Walt
If you're not going to church now, having 6 guys carry you in feet first is going to be a useless gesture, and a waste of time. They will need to carry you straight to the marble orchard.
Walt
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:50 pm
Flyingheritage:
It sounds like it means a lot to you, so why don't you start a 99's in Australia? They have 99's club throughout the USA.
Check out this link:
http://www.ninety-nines.org/
As for ladies involved, there was a lady named Amelia Reid who owned a flight school in San Jose, CA with 50 planes. There's at the local airport w/ a lady named Kelly who is flight training guru, who probably trains 10 different students a week.
My grandmom was involved in the EAA, and gumint advocacy on local and federal levels.
It sounds like it means a lot to you, so why don't you start a 99's in Australia? They have 99's club throughout the USA.
Check out this link:
http://www.ninety-nines.org/
As for ladies involved, there was a lady named Amelia Reid who owned a flight school in San Jose, CA with 50 planes. There's at the local airport w/ a lady named Kelly who is flight training guru, who probably trains 10 different students a week.
My grandmom was involved in the EAA, and gumint advocacy on local and federal levels.
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:59 pm
We need the support of "she who must be obeyed"...
Mark P is right on the money. Where did you get that picture of my wife??
reminds me of the old joke:
Yeah that's who the real boss is!
Hey Jake, do you have any pictures of your wife n@ked? If you don't, I have some!
What are you talking that was my wife getting some sun?
PS: Nathan get a life!
Nathan, you got to get to know the big bad kids in the neighborhood..
Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:05 pm
Mod post: OK, let's keep it polite, folks.