Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:54 pm
I visited both those museums when I was in Washington for the National Warbird Operator's Conference several weeks ago, but I won't post any of my pictures because they're pretty much identical to yours. 
I only ask about the Winnie Mae because my camera batteries ran low before I made it over to her.
I only ask about the Winnie Mae because my camera batteries ran low before I made it over to her.
Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:54 pm
usaf ssgt wrote:Great pictures Dan
Can anyone fill me in on the rough looking P-38?
Very interesting!
Leon
there is a great little feature on this site called the warbird registry, has a lot of information
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p38regis ... 67762.html
Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:31 am
thanks for the fabulous pics!!!! we've got the same taste in interest, with all that to look at & absorb, my pics choices would be no different.
Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:54 am
The P-26 is the real thing (asked about on page one of this thread). Amazing how the NASM downtown hasn't changed at all in many of the galleries since I was first there in 1979!
As far as the Winnie Mae...don't get me started
That plane should be in the Milestones of Flight gallery in the downtown museum in my opinion...
As far as the Winnie Mae...don't get me started
That plane should be in the Milestones of Flight gallery in the downtown museum in my opinion...
Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:01 am
APG85 wrote:The P-26 is the real thing (asked about on page one of this thread). Amazing how the NASM downtown hasn't changed at all in many of the galleries since I was first there in 1979!
As far as the Winnie Mae...don't get me started
Thanks, I looked it up and it turns out that the P-26 at the NMUSAF is actually a replica, I thought it was real. I knew POF's example was real, and there are only two real ones left.
I do have a picture or two of the Winnie May, I'll post it this evening.
Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:32 am
i'm puzzled by the j1n1 gekko as it should have oblique guns similar to the ki45 fuselage and in the pic it doesnt seem to have them?
Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:57 am
n/m
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:00 am
oz rb fan wrote:i'm puzzled by the j1n1 gekko as it should have oblique guns similar to the ki45 fuselage and in the pic it doesnt seem to have them?
It did have one gun behind the cockpit. It is just tough to see it. Look at the leading edge/wing tip of the Northrop flying wing and you can make it out.
Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:12 pm
APG85 said
Perhaps one reason is that there already is another Lockheed Vega - the one used by Amelia Earhart to fly acorss the Atlantic - on display immediately behind the Milestone gallery.
The Winnie Mae was originally on display in an "aviation testing" gallery (along with a Harrier prototype and the P-59) that was later closed, with the P-59 going into the Milestone Gallery.
Perhaps just to get you started, I am not sure that the WM represents a milestone of the same scale as the X-1, X-15 and many of the other members of that gallery. It has lots of "fastest" and "highest" achievements but was not really the "first" at anything, except maybe the first use of a "spacesuit" (and I am not sure that that is true). I realize that this can also be argued for the "Spirit of St. Louis" (which was only the first solo crossing) but I guess here fame won out.
I still thing that the Langley Model 5 (first unmanned flyer of any real distance) should have remained in the Milestones Gallery. Maybe the first helicopter around the world should go there as well - they, after all, do have the first balloon around the world in that gallery - (I reognise that the first - of 2 - airplanes around the world would likely be too big for that gallery).
So now lets get started!
As far as the Winnie Mae...don't get me started That plane should be in the Milestones of Flight gallery in the downtown museum in my opinion...
Perhaps one reason is that there already is another Lockheed Vega - the one used by Amelia Earhart to fly acorss the Atlantic - on display immediately behind the Milestone gallery.
The Winnie Mae was originally on display in an "aviation testing" gallery (along with a Harrier prototype and the P-59) that was later closed, with the P-59 going into the Milestone Gallery.
Perhaps just to get you started, I am not sure that the WM represents a milestone of the same scale as the X-1, X-15 and many of the other members of that gallery. It has lots of "fastest" and "highest" achievements but was not really the "first" at anything, except maybe the first use of a "spacesuit" (and I am not sure that that is true). I realize that this can also be argued for the "Spirit of St. Louis" (which was only the first solo crossing) but I guess here fame won out.
I still thing that the Langley Model 5 (first unmanned flyer of any real distance) should have remained in the Milestones Gallery. Maybe the first helicopter around the world should go there as well - they, after all, do have the first balloon around the world in that gallery - (I reognise that the first - of 2 - airplanes around the world would likely be too big for that gallery).
So now lets get started!
Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:05 pm
Just thinking that I know a lot more about what I am looking at now because of you WIXoids than I did when I was actually staring at the planes in person.
AGREE that there ought to be some way of getting MORE info about the exhibits for those willing to mine deeper.
I remember fogging up when I was downtown and came across the glass case with the photo of Bill Martin and Hargrove and Williams.
Who the heck were they? Look 'em up!
AGREE that there ought to be some way of getting MORE info about the exhibits for those willing to mine deeper.
I remember fogging up when I was downtown and came across the glass case with the photo of Bill Martin and Hargrove and Williams.
Who the heck were they? Look 'em up!
Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:12 pm
That's one museum I could really spend a day, great pics. More please 
Photos at Udvar-Hazy
Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:13 pm
The quality of your photos taken at Udvar-Hazy are most impressive!
I visited there in mid-Dec 08 and was most un-impressed with the quality of the photos that I TOOK! I was using the internal flash of my digital SLR and it just didn't do the job. Did you use an auxilary flash unit? Or perhaps you just know what you are doing (probably the case). I also visited NMUSAF @ Dayton about a week later and had the same problem there as well but then again it's much darker than U-H.
I visited there in mid-Dec 08 and was most un-impressed with the quality of the photos that I TOOK! I was using the internal flash of my digital SLR and it just didn't do the job. Did you use an auxilary flash unit? Or perhaps you just know what you are doing (probably the case). I also visited NMUSAF @ Dayton about a week later and had the same problem there as well but then again it's much darker than U-H.
Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:32 pm
old iron wrote:APG85 saidAs far as the Winnie Mae...don't get me started That plane should be in the Milestones of Flight gallery in the downtown museum in my opinion...
Perhaps one reason is that there already is another Lockheed Vega - the one used by Amelia Earhart to fly acorss the Atlantic - on display immediately behind the Milestone gallery.
The Winnie Mae was originally on display in an "aviation testing" gallery (along with a Harrier prototype and the P-59) that was later closed, with the P-59 going into the Milestone Gallery.
Perhaps just to get you started, I am not sure that the WM represents a milestone of the same scale as the X-1, X-15 and many of the other members of that gallery. It has lots of "fastest" and "highest" achievements but was not really the "first" at anything, except maybe the first use of a "spacesuit" (and I am not sure that that is true). I realize that this can also be argued for the "Spirit of St. Louis" (which was only the first solo crossing) but I guess here fame won out.
I still thing that the Langley Model 5 (first unmanned flyer of any real distance) should have remained in the Milestones Gallery. Maybe the first helicopter around the world should go there as well - they, after all, do have the first balloon around the world in that gallery - (I reognise that the first - of 2 - airplanes around the world would likely be too big for that gallery).
So now lets get started!
I...think...it...qualifies...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiley_Post
http://www.acepilots.com/post.html
http://www.taxi-strip.com/Winniemaeofoklahoma.html
http://jimsladesairlines.com/eightdayseast1.html
Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:04 pm
jdvoss,
Don't use a flash, always try to use available light and color correct in post if needed. if you do use a flash just use it for a little fill light, but not wide open or you will reduce your backgrounds to black.
Bill.
Don't use a flash, always try to use available light and color correct in post if needed. if you do use a flash just use it for a little fill light, but not wide open or you will reduce your backgrounds to black.
Bill.
Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:57 pm
shilo53 wrote:Is it just me or is the Arado smaller than the Dornier? Great pics, more please?!
It's not just you, the Blitz presents itself (up close and in-person) as substantially smaller than that Arrow. It doesn't seem all that much bigger than the -190 even.
The Arrow is a BIG airplane. I'm sure the fact that it sits up high on tall tricycle landing gear helps reinforce that perception too.