Avalon Airshow 2009 Australia... attending aircraft??

[JDK]

Ask the SAS blokes with a zero pay packet about their hard earned tax dollar at work .....

Not even going to touch that one...

[Mark_Pilkington]

I feel that Roulettes are not as much as fun without their MB-326 Macchis jet nowdays.

They has noise and speed then .. and the PC-9 just havent for me since they were selected caught my attention.. hence everytime i see them -- only thing i can think off is very quiet/boring.

The Roulettes in CT4's, Macchi's or PC-9's were and can be quite entertaining, but having seen a lot of them it is something I can miss out on quite happily.

Having said that the PC-9's are quite incredible performers, a bit like a T-28 on steroids, I suspect they might give a Mustang a bit of a run for its money? in terms of display capability.

Macchi
PERFORMANCE:
Max speed 806 km/h (435 kt); Service ceiling 44,000 ft (13 411 m); Range 1512 km (816 nm).



PC-9
PERFORMANCE:
Max speed 593 km/h (320 kt); cruising speed 500 km/h (270 kt); rate of climb 1220 m (4000 ft) per min; service ceiling 38,000 ft (11,580 m); range (at 20,000 ft) 1700 km (920 nm).

Mustang
PERFORMANCE:
Max speed 636 km/h (380 kt); Climb, 13 mins to 30,000 ft (9144 m); Maximum rate of climb 1059 m (3475 ft)/min; Service ceiling 41,900 ft (12 771 m); Range 1529 km (825 nm) on internal fuel tanks.


Stats from RAAFMuseum website http://www.airforce.gov.au/raafmuseum/research/aircraft/series2/A68.htm

Regards

Mark Pilkington

[Mark_Pilkington]

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Drove past Avalon this afternoon, 3 USAF aircraft already in attendance, a C17 Globemaster III, C141 Starlifter? (thought they had been retired ,but what ever it is its bigger than the C17?) and a tanker of the KC-135 family?

Regards

Mark Pilkington

[Mark_Pilkington]

C141 Starlifter? (thought they had been retired ,but what ever it is its bigger than the C17?)

C5 Galaxy? thought it would dwarf the C17?

A few more aircraft further down the ramp, another C17? perhaps an RAAF example?

regards

Mark Pilkington

[Nate Burrows]

For those of us who cant make it to the show www.airshowtime.com will be showing a live Video feed of the show on Saturday the 14th.

[K5DH]

May I ask a favour?

If anyone from WIX does attend the Avalon show, please drop by the Raytheon booth, pick up some of their "gimme" items (tell them they're for a fellow Raytheon employee in Dallas, Texas, USA!), mail them to me, and I'll cover the postage costs. I most humbly beg thee. . .

I have a cap from the 2005 show and it's very nice! I was in Oz for 17 days in 2005, but not Avalon and not at the right time of year.

Cheers!

[CAPFlyer]

The C-5 is only about 25% larger than the C-17. The C-17 was designed to do what the C-5 was never able to - provide strategic airlift capacity with tactical airlift performance.

The Crew Chief on the C-5 is Antonio Torres. If any of you see him, tell him Chris Trott said "Hi." He and I have been internet acquaintances for several years and he's a real good guy. Got a plush assignment too, he's only a few months out of school and already getting to go to the cool shows.

[Matt]

Hi all,

Given that I'm the one referred to in Shelldrake's post I can probably elaborate a bit more about this event. The AAAA has a National fly-in every year, with every second such event incorporating a one-day airshow. At Echuca over the Anzac Day weekend (April 25/26) this year the main part of the weekend is the fly-in for our members, who will, weather permitting, bring around 150 vintage and warbird aeroplanes to Echuca.

We're having the airshow on the Sunday and likely display aircraft (subject to change) include the Roulettes, L-39 jet/s, Mustang, Kittyhawk, Trojans, Wirraways, etc. I'm in discussions with the owners of all flying Wirraways and although it's probably looking unlikely that all six will be there, we should still have several joining us for the weekend and the tentative plan is to hopefully have them conduct formation flypasts. Unfortunately we have no plans for a Spitfire to be in attendance.

There are other treats planned for this event that we'll save until the time, however there's the potential for two major warbird debuts this year. More specific event information will be posted onto the AAAA website soon. It's going to be a big event though.

Cheers,
Matt

Well, I have been advised from a very good source that if you are going to attend any Airshow this year in Australia, you need to make sure you get to Echuca for the ANZAC weekend. The Antique Aeroplane Association of Australia (AAAA) www.antique-aeroplane.com.au is holding its annual flyin there except this year there is a slight difference. 2009 is the 70th anniversary for the Wirraway and I understand that Mathew Grigg (?) and others have successfully arranged for all flying Wirraway's in Australia t attend this weekend event. Now considering we have Wirraways in Qld, SA, NSW and Vic I would say that is a great achievement. But it gets better. Included in the line up will be Mustang, Spitfire, Kittyhawk, Trojan, Harvard and, at least 1 Boomerang. Gossip around the retired flyers village is that this may also be the first appearance for a second airworthy Boomerang (that is just a rumour). So I would encourage all Warbird enthusiasts to get to Echuca for that weekend. I reckon it could be the biggest Australian Warbird event for 2009.

Shelldrake

[JägerMarty]

Hehe, lovely weather for the show this weekend.... NOT

Non existant coverage on the Queensland media about the show, but state Elections and oil spills tend to get more coverage. This is all I could find just now

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

A SIX-year-old girl was rushed to hospital after being blown away by a gust of wind at the Avalon Airshow yesterday afternoon.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/art ... _news.html

A QUICK-thinking parachute jumper was forced to pull his reserve chute after becoming entangled during a display at the Avalon International Airshow.

[JDK]

Hehe, lovely weather for the show this weekend.... NOT

Not something to laugh about, IMHO. If we'd had this rain a month and a half ago, it would've saved a couple of hundred lives and several thousand houses - not to mention it's going to have cost a lot of people some considerable sums and push an already poorly performing airshow further down the achievement / attendance list - for the participants as well as the visitors.

Friday had patches of good flying, I didn't even bother going yesterday, and I'd not be surprised if a girl got blown away - the wind was strong. I gave it up at about 3.10 this afternoon. 30kmh (19mph / 16 kts) steady wind right across the runway directly on crowd; the worst for pilots, I understand, and many acts cancelled, several tried and gave it away after trying to take off. While we had no rain this am, it clamped at the end of Fri eve and Sun.

[flyingheritage]

The Mustang Elcat nearly had a accident on take off today - it powered on...lifted tail wheel for v1/v2 airspeed then suddenly it ran off the runway in doing so due to cross wind from what i could understand.

I was photographing it and was rather concerned but he slowed down and pulled back onto runway and taxied in. He took off later in afternoon and did a good display in poor cloud and rain and more wind.

The crosswind was around 30-45 knts and the cancellation of the Constellation and sadly the drawcard of the show F-111 were crowd dampeners.

Sadly the F-111 could of performed at 445pm just after the FA-18 had done the the closing act. Oh well 15months left.

Caribou has confirmed retirement date of 31 Dec 2009 now. Many museums in oz are getting one if all goes well... with the hand outs...

[JägerMarty]

Hehe, lovely weather for the show this weekend.... NOT

Not something to laugh about, IMHO. If we'd had this rain a month and a half ago, it would've saved a couple of hundred lives and several thousand houses - not to mention it's going to have cost a lot of people some considerable sums and push an already poorly performing airshow further down the achievement / attendance list - for the participants as well as the visitors.

Friday had patches of good flying, I didn't even bother going yesterday, and I'd not be surprised if a girl got blown away - the wind was strong. I gave it up at about 3.10 this afternoon. 30kmh (19mph / 16 kts) steady wind right across the runway directly on crowd; the worst for pilots, I understand, and many acts cancelled, several tried and gave it away after trying to take off. While we had no rain this am, it clamped at the end of Fri eve and Sun.

Not sure the relevance of the the bushfire comment so you can keep that
It's obvious that I and others do not like the show so I don't mind seeing it cop some bad weather, of course I don't want to see anyone injured or worse.
I'm glad somethings were cancelled, I certainly don't want performers there putting themselves and their equipment at risk unnecessarily.
If the organisers put a bit more effort into the presentation of warbirds, ie numbers and length of display maybe I'd support the show but they don't so they can get .......ed

[flyingheritage]

Did anyone else see the Mustamg accident on Sunday that i got photos of?

Yet again Avalon has poorly presented warbirds.. back to front from crowd areas, roped off for 5-10m away, all really doesnt help the cause....

i counted no more than 8-10 warbird and if they were real awarbird no more than 5 mostly Harvards, Mustang and a Yak-3

[JDK]

What is this, brain-off mouth-on corner?

Not sure the relevance of the the bushfire comment so you can keep that

If it had rained like it did over the last few days before and on Feburary 7th, then the bushfires wouldn't have happened, the 200+ people wouldn't have been killed and the acreages and houses wouldn't have been burnt. Got it now?

It's obvious that I and others do not like the show so I don't mind seeing it cop some bad weather, of course I don't want to see anyone injured or worse.

I don't like the show much, but taking pleasure in others' misfortune is pretty immature. The potential failure of a show has knock on effects to other events and revenue for all aviators - vintage warbird and so forth - so it's stupid as well as selfish and immature.

If the organisers put a bit more effort into the presentation of warbirds, ie numbers and length of display maybe I'd support the show but they don't so they can get .......ed

You know, if I were organising a show, I'd rather not attract you and fh to it given the drivel you're posting here.

Did anyone else see the Mustamg accident on Sunday that i got photos of?

I saw what was not an accident. If you don't want to have a very unamusing discussion with the owner in question, with possible legal ramifications, either learn to report accurately or keep quiet.

The Mustang Elcat nearly had a accident on take off today - it powered on...lifted tail wheel for v1/v2 airspeed then suddenly it ran off the runway in doing so due to cross wind from what i could understand.

That's pretty much what I saw. I'd be wary of speculating as to causes. It's 'Eclat' btw.

I was photographing it and was rather concerned but he slowed down and pulled back onto runway and taxied in. He took off later in afternoon and did a good display in poor cloud and rain and more wind.

The Mustang that flew was the RAAF Museum's example, not 'Eclat' at Avalon. The RAAF's Mustang flew in to display from Point Cook; equipped with multiple runways to avoid the crosswinds.

The Yak is a modern Yak 9, not a 3.